Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Multilingual Outputs in ChatGPT?

    You Ask, I Answer: Multilingual Outputs in ChatGPT?

    Xiaoli asks, “will the GPT output result differ for different languages? for example, will the GPT result in English better than the result in Chinese?”

    In this episode, I discuss whether the GPT output differs for different languages. The majority of machine learning is biased towards the English language, which has become the lingua franca of the modern technology world. Translation models and the GPT family of models do not do as great a job going from English to other languages as it does from other languages to English. It varies by language, and the smaller the language’s content footprint, the worse the models perform. However, over time, expect models specific to a language to get better as they ingest more content and understand more of what is published online. Watch the video to learn more about language biases in machine learning and artificial intelligence.

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    In today’s episode Xiao Li asks, Will the GPT output differ for different languages? For example, will the GPT result in English be better than the resulting Chinese? Yep, the majority of machine learning a substantial amount of machine learning and artificial intelligence is very, very heavily biased towards the English language.

    English has become sort of the ironically the lingua franca of the modern technology world, right? Where a lot of work is being done in English code is written and documented in English, many of the major open source projects are tend to be English first.

    So it stands to reason that the amount of content online that was scraped to put together these models is biased towards English as well.

    And we see this to be we know this to be true.

    And you’ll look at translation models and how the GPT family of models translates.

    It doesn’t do as great a job going from English to other languages as it does from other languages to English, test it out for yourself, find some friends who speak multiple languages, and do some bilateral testing have the GPT model translate something from another language into English and have it translate from English to another language and see which one comes up with a better output.

    And it varies by language.

    It is not consistent, right? It is not the same percentage of not as good with say like Chinese where there’s a ton of information as there is with language like Swahili, or Tibetan.

    The smaller languages content footprint is the worst the models do add it.

    Particularly when you look at stuff that is stored and things like academic papers, which is where a lot of more obscure languages come from.

    The GPT series of models, for example, has, it can do Sumerian, it can’t do a Syrian, it can’t do Babylonian, even though these are known languages, and it struggles with smaller dialects.

    So it won’t do as good a job with Koine Greek as it will with modern Greek.

    Ultimately, though, there’s a very heavy bias towards English.

    Even I think it’s something like only 20% of the world.

    English is is the the major language there.

    Most of the world does have some level of capability in English in some fashion for a lot of the the bigger economy nations.

    But obviously English is not the first language in those places.

    But English has dominance right now in technology because of the nature of technology where a lot of tech industries got started, will that change? Probably.

    I mean, China itself is cranking out huge numbers of AI scientists and stuff and I would hold the expect really good large language models to be built in Chinese First, I would expect the same to be true for Hindi and Urdu, right? country of India has 1,000,000,003 1.3 billion people or something along those lines.

    Just on numbers alone, they will crank out probably more AI specialists than say, a country like the USA which has only 330 million people, it’s just a numbers game.

    So over time, expect those models to get better expect models that are a specific language first, but also expect the GPT series and the big public models to get better as well as they ingest more content as they as they understand more of what is published online.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Evolution of AI in Business Processes?

    You Ask, I Answer: Evolution of AI in Business Processes?

    Ashley asks, “How do you see the use of AI evolving in business processes over the next decade?”

    In this video, I discuss how the use of AI in business processes is evolving rapidly and constantly changing week by week. It is impossible to predict exactly how AI’s usage will look like in a decade, but we do know that businesses want to make money, save money, and save time, while customers want things better, faster, and cheaper. AI can help streamline and improve processes that are repetitive, such as content marketing and processing invoices, eroding a lot of those tasks that consume time and energy. However, this poses a challenge as many people are employed to do repetitive tasks. The evolution of AI in business processes must figure out how the productivity and profitability gains that AI will lead, make their way back into the population so that people can afford to buy the stuff that we’re making. If we don’t solve that, they will be no customers.

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    In today’s episode, Ashley asks, How do you see the use of AI evolving in business processes over the next decade? I don’t know, the next decade, I can barely keep up with what’s going on an AI today.

    Right? We’re going on a week to week basis these days in terms of the advancements happening in AI literally week to week, next week, who knows what’s going to happen last week, we had autonomous AI agents pop up out of nowhere.

    This field is changing so fast.

    So fast.

    There is no way to know what AI’s usage was going to look like in a decade.

    I mean, for all we know, there will be no employees in the decade, right? That’s unlikely, but it’s not entirely impossible.

    What we do know and this is a philosophy that I believe in, even if you don’t necessarily believe in the source.

    It’s something that Jeff Bezos said a long time ago with the founding of Amazon and Amazon’s business strategy.

    And it was simply focus on what doesn’t change, right? What do businesses What does not change about businesses? Businesses want to make money, they want to save money, they want to save time, customers want things better, faster, and cheaper, those things don’t change, right? That is that is as constant as the sun rising.

    No one is saying, hey, I want things to be less convenient with poor service and cost more, no one says that.

    Almost no one says I’m sure there’s someone somewhere.

    The vast majority people do not say that the vast majority people say I want better, faster and cheaper.

    How do you get me better, faster and cheaper? So when we look at artificial intelligence and business processes today, what are the things that could be better, faster and cheaper? What are the things where there are serious inefficiencies right now that you could streamline? For example, a real simple example of content marketing, right people writing blog posts, a ChatGPT type type model type system, writes blog posts, right? It’s better because there’s let’s face it, not everyone’s a great writer.

    So it can be better.

    It’s certainly much faster, and as a lot cheaper, on an hourly basis on an output basis.

    And so AI is the solution there, it makes a whole lot of sense.

    Building an autonomous AI solution to process invoices.

    That is a human process.

    Now this slow, is cumbersome, it’s not a great use of someone’s time.

    It’s very mechanical, it is very repetitive, ripe opportunity there.

    What are the things in your business that are repetitive? What are the things that are repetitive, those are up for grabs with AI.

    If you have a process that is super repetitive, like issuing invoices, follow ups for, you know, late invoices you have you have accounting tasks, if you have marketing tasks, sales tasks that are all the same thing over and over and over again, those are right to be handed off to a machine.

    And in the next decade, I would expect to see machines erode a lot of those tasks, right? That’s just got to consume those tasks.

    And they should, let’s face it, how much fun is it to fill out an expense report? Right? Is this something you really look forward to? Now? Is it repetitive? Yep? Could a machine learn to do that? Sure, could.

    And there are plenty of companies that are trying to solve problems exactly like that.

    How much fun is it to scan in documents for optical character recognition and classify them? Not a whole lot of fun? Right? The plenty of people and companies doing that? Uh huh.

    Is that a task to be handed off to machine? You betcha.

    I would expect given the rate of evolution with artificial intelligence, particularly generative AI and autonomous AI, that the majority of repetitive business tasks will be consumed by AI within the next decade.

    It could be next week.

    I mean, it’s it’s happening fast.

    This this is being recorded in May of 2023.

    By May of 2020, for this episode of show may look completely outdated, who knows how fast it will move, but we can be certain of the direction it will move, the direction that will move will be removing repetitive tasks.

    Here’s the challenge.

    An awful lot of people are employed to do repetitive tasks.

    Right.

    So a big part of the evolution of AI within business is figuring out what are we gonna do with all the extra people? Right because we will have if you have a roomful of 50 accountants, and generative AI and autonomous AI can do 80% of the work.

    You really only need 10 accountants.

    So what do you do with the other 40? We don’t have an answer for that.

    There isn’t an answer for that, that people are willing to consider in today’s environment.

    There are answers.

    Answers like universal bait Skin come is an answer.

    It’s not an answer.

    That’s real popular, but it would be an effective answer.

    So I think part of the evolution of AI in business processes and business in general is figuring out how do the productivity and profitability gains that AI will lead, make their way back into the population so that people can afford to buy the stuff that we’re making.

    If we don’t solve that, they will be no customers.

    Right? Because all there’ll be massive income inequality, and there’ll be no customers because no one be able to afford anything.

    So those are some of the things to look for in the next decade with regard to AI business processes.

    In the short term, you can guaranteed count on people wanting to save money, wanting to make money and wanting to save time, you can count on customers saying I want things better, faster and cheaper.

    Any process that you have that inhibits the pathway to those two sets of outcomes, is going to get steamrolled by AI and it probably should be really good question.

    We could spend a whole lot of time talking about this, but I think that’s enough for now.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Content for Influencer Audiences?

    You Ask, I Answer: Content for Influencer Audiences?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    What kind of content best resonates with your audience?

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    We continue with our influencer marketing questions from the B2B influencer marketing summit from SAP and analytics, which I recently attended and was a panelist at.

    As a reminder, I’m doing this series because it was a four person 30 minute panels, we didn’t have time to really dig into any of these questions.

    And you’ve been here for the first four, you know that? Each question can be answered in about 10 minutes.

    So it’ll be a very long panel, every panelist was giving a 10 minute answer to every question.

    Today’s question is, what kind of content best resonates with your audience? I don’t know.

    I’m being a bit facetious here.

    Gender, generally speaking, this question is going to be a bilateral question.

    Knowing what the audience wants, and then knowing what you’re able to create, right? For me, I find it easiest to create this video content with an audio component, and then using AI to transcribe into text for people who want to read rather than listen or watch.

    And it’s interesting looking at the data, looking at the analytics around the audio files, the YouTube videos, the newsletters, about 50% of the audience still prefers to read things like my my weekly newsletter with the almost timely newsletter, and about 25% prefer to watch a video about 25% prefer to listen to audio.

    And so in terms of a content strategy for B2B influencer marketing, it really comes down to what are you capable of producing? Right? If you can only produce texts, and blogging is what you do.

    That’s what you do.

    I would suggest that if you’re really good at blogging, it’s not rocket surgery to get out your phone and record yourself essentially reading, reading aloud your blog.

    Because video in particular contains the most information density, and is a format that is easily distributed, thanks to services like YouTube.

    So if you’ve got the script, which is the blog post, you may as well just read out loud and of course, it’s trivial to extract the audio from a video now I have audio for a podcast or something similar.

    But that content resonance, what kind of content resonates is highly dependent on on the audience’s preferences, that’s format, topic wise.

    Topic wise, this is where you got to do some research.

    And we says at the time of recording, you can still get access to things like Twitter profiles in at scale, you can with certain tools, get a collection of say Instagram posts, or you can see performance of your content on LinkedIn.

    It is your obligation as a marketer, both as a brand as an entity as an influencer, to analyze that data, and see what are the topics that you’re covering to begin with? And then what kinds of content performance do you get on those topics? I will say like, I look at the different topics I cover.

    And right now, the topic that gets the highest engagement, the most discussion is all about AI.

    I mean, we could talk about data science and art and Python and stuff.

    And nobody really wants to talk about that.

    Right now.

    It’s all generative AI as the title this is April 2023, when I’m recording this, that’s the that’s the area of focus that people care about today.

    Audience preferences are notoriously changeable, right? They are notoriously fluid.

    And what is of interest to people today will not be of interest to people tomorrow.

    What is worthy of discussion is going to be different depending on where people’s attention is.

    When you look back the last few years, obviously the pandemic and the future of work was hot for a while.

    cryptocurrencies were hot for a while NF T’s were hot for a hot minute.

    Gender of AI is hot right now, who knows what’s next? The question that influencers have to ask themselves is what can we credibly cover? And the question that brands have to ask is, are these topics that we have a point of view on as well? That would be worth collaborating with an influencer about or not? So for my audience, again, the pillar content for me is the weekly newsletter, The almost timely newsletter, The the general content of these daily videos that go with that.

    And then the big rock content, things like books or keynote addresses and stuff but topic wise, today, it’s all about AI who knows what tomorrow will bring? And I would love your thoughts, what content resonates with you what format what topics would you want to hear more about? Be happy to hear your point of view on this as well thanks for tuning in we’ll talk to you soon if you’d like this video go ahead and hit that subscribe button

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Managing Brand Expectations for Influencers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Managing Brand Expectations for Influencers?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    How do you manage brands’ expectations?

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    This is the fourth in a series of questions from the B2B influencer marketing Summit held recently by SAP and Analytica.

    These are the questions from the panel discussion that we just didn’t have enough time to dig into depth about? So I’m answering them here.

    Today’s question, how do you manage brand expectations within an influencer marketing program? And this to me, is very much a measurement question, right? How do you measure influencer marketing, so that the influencer and the brand are measuring the same things, and the influencer and the brand are setting expectations appropriately based on the scope of measurement? So let’s start with a few different things, because there’s a lot to unpack here.

    First, it depends on the kind of influencer, right? We have a tendency, and I mean, we in B2B marketing, have a tendency to think of influencer marketing as social media marketing.

    And that is partly true.

    Social media is a component of influencer marketing.

    But it is mostly not true, especially in B2B.

    Here’s why.

    influence extends way outside of social media.

    If you are a pharmaceutical company, where the influential people than not on Twitter, they are in archive and Bio Archive online, they’re in published academic papers.

    They are in peer reviewed journals.

    That’s where those those folks are who make who influence decisions.

    If you were in law, and the legal realm where you’re influencers, right? They’re gonna be in LexisNexis, and find law and all these places where influential people, people who can change a conversation are hanging out again, probably not on Twitter, right? Even though for a lot of influencer marketing tools, they seem to over focus on Twitter, that’s about to change.

    If you are in real estate, where where are your influences? Good chunk, then we’re going to be on on places like YouTube and Instagram.

    Sure, publicly, behind the scenes, there’s backend systems like MLS, there’s understanding how to manipulate those systems, to to accomplish different tasks.

    If you are in coding and development, where are your influencers? They’re on GitHub.

    They’re on GitHub, they’re in code repositories.

    Maybe they’re on Reddit, maybe a few of them are on Twitter, but they’re in GitHub.

    And if you know, get hubs data model, you know how to find those influences, because it’s they’re the ones who are doing lots of commits on public projects that are about the subject area that you care about.

    Influencer Marketing extends way outside of social media.

    Right? Where if you are in in your industry, where do you see prominent people getting attention? And chances are for a lot of B2B, it’s not social media, it is someplace very specific to some kind of realm where they have expertise.

    So that’s first Where are you influencers? Second, how do you measure the impact of influencer marketing? Influencer Marketing is very similar to public relations.

    There are two primary outputs, right.

    One is awareness, to drive awareness to a new to a brand, its products and services.

    How do you create that awareness.

    And the second is trust.

    You’re bringing in influences because consumers rightfully and the consumer we use here in in the B2B and B2C sense.

    Customers don’t trust you.

    They don’t trust you to do talk honestly, about your product.

    And so you have to bring in third parties to do so on your behalf public relations, uses a lot of influencer marketing.

    And so if you think about how you measure public relations, then you should have to have a pretty good idea of how to measure influencers.

    You have basic, sort of top level metrics, like impressions, media impressions and things which are not worthless, right? If you have zero media impressions, yeah, you don’t have anything else because you no one saw you.

    So clearly, that number does mean something if if zero is bad, but then you have more complex forms of measurement.

    Example uplift modeling is something that if you’re engaging influencers to do influencer marketing, uplift modeling should be part of your toolkit, which is the statistical method to look at.

    What was business as usual, right? What would you have gotten no matter what, and then you have the influencer campaign, what’s the Delta on that? Right? What’s the what’s the impact in the days and weeks and months after an engagement above and beyond what you’re gonna get anyway, there are statistical techniques for doing that, that are statistically valid media mix modeling and other example your influencers should be part of your media mix model to see how they impact outcomes that you care about.

    Setting brand expectations means having a conversation about measurement.

    Ask them, how do you measure things? How do you want to measure this program? How will you know what success looks like? How will you know what failure looks like? And if a brand doesn’t have those answers, it’s probably not going to be a successful long term partnership.

    Right? If you can’t say to somebody, here’s what we did.

    And here’s the line of sight, the dotted line, but the path to a metric that you care about, right? If the CMO is in charge of marketing, qualified leads, something that you provide in measurement wise, had better have a correlation to marketing qualified leads in some statistical capacity so that you can say, Yeah, we did XY and Z, which resulted in a 6% lift in marketing qualified leads, that’s something that a stakeholder can take to the bank, or at least take to the boss and say, Hey, we got 60% more leads because of this program.

    Let’s keep doing it.

    So setting expectations with a brand is about setting expectations around measurement.

    And what you’re willing to provide, what the brand is willing to provide, and what you’re willing to agree on to say like, yeah, this measure doesn’t make sense, right? If there will be cases where if, if you’re providing awareness and trust, you’re probably not direct selling.

    Might be but you’re probably not, you’re probably just trying to get people to recognize this brand even exists, that they even belong in the consideration set.

    What are your consideration metrics? What are the things that people would type into a search engine or ask on a social media channel? Here’s, here’s a ton of people talking about how to learn more about this thing.

    That’s awareness.

    So that’s how I think about managing brand expectations in an influencer marketing program.

    It is what what are you measuring? What does success look like? And then can we create modeling around that, that helps you understand? Yep, you’re, you’re getting what you you want it and it is a a partnership for both the influencer and the brand, to collaborate on measurement to agree on a common standard of measurement and then to implement that measurement as part of the program.

    So that’s a part four of the questions from the influencer marketing summit, the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Brand Collaboration Requirements for Influencers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Brand Collaboration Requirements for Influencers?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    What makes you say yes to a brand collaboration? What makes you say no?

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    Christopher Penn 0:00

    In today’s episode we continue with our questions from the B2B influencer marketing Summit held by SAP and analytical as a reminder, it was a panel discussion 30 minutes for for folks and a moderator to answer a bunch of questions.

    And, you know, in those situations, you never really get to say everything that comes to mind.

    Because you want to make sure that you’re you’re giving airtime to everybody else, everyone has a chance to contribute equally.

    So this series is all the stuff that I would have said, If there had been more time.

    Today’s question, What makes you say yes to a brand collaboration? What makes you say no? It depends.

    And I think that’s probably the the most accurate and most frustrating answer I can give to this.

    What matters? The reason I choose a brand collaboration, there’s a few I’ll say no to companies that have direct competitors of mine of Trust Insights, right? That’s kind of a no brainer, if a company is a direct competitor probably don’t want to be undermining my own business interests, which is a valid consideration, right? I have talked with brands who have said, hey, you know, you seem to be an influencer for IBM.

    So we probably don’t want to work with you.

    Because we’re competitive IBM, that goes both ways.

    Right? A brand would say, like, not sure that that’s a good fit.

    Things that do matter.

    Besides something obvious like that.

    values matter, right? Does the brand, do things that make the world objectively better or worse place? When I worked at my old agency, we would get clients who their job was to make the world a worse place.

    Right? They did stuff like petroleum extraction from places he probably shouldn’t be extracting petroleum from.

    Is it profitable? Yes.

    Does it create a a good lifestyle and wages and jobs for people in those places? Yes.

    Does it also substantially damage the environment? Also? Yes.

    Is that a concern? You bet it is.

    And so values alignment is really important when looking at a brand and saying, Do I want to work with this brand? Things that matter? The brand needs to have to open up access to stakeholders and and talent, right? Particularly in B2B marketing.

    There’s a lot of software companies, there’s a lot of, you know, SAS services, things like that.

    And I am as a buyer, and as an influencer, I am very wary of somebody that will not let me kick the tires on escorted, right.

    I know it drives some people crazy.

    But I will say to somebody, yeah, just give me a log into the product.

    And I remember what you need to do the onboarding and the tour and all stuff like No, but I can’t figure it out.

    And I’m a reasonably intelligent person, if I can’t figure out how to use your product with with no guidance, then your product needs improvement, right? Think about something like an iPad, you can hand an iPad to a four year old and pretty quickly, they can figure out what to do.

    Right? They don’t need a whole lot of onboarding, to use an iPad, and to get benefit out of it.

    That’s the bar.

    That is the bar that all software and service companies need to be able to provide to say like, yeah, it will help if you read the manual or do the onboarding, but you don’t need to to be able to get immediate value from the product.

    Another thing that I particularly look for, because I talked to a lot of data science and AI companies, let me talk to someone in engineering on escorted, again, both as an influencer and as a buyer.

    Let me talk to somebody who there’s there isn’t a brand marketer or a reputation manager like looking over our shoulder the whole time.

    I have had the experience where a salesperson said oh yeah, our product does this that the other thing and I talked to the engineer and the engineer is like, no, don’t do any of that.

    That’s not what this product does.

    And you can usually get more candor, and more.

    Were truth out of engineering it at least in the space that I work, and then you will out of sales or marketing.

    In a lot of cases, I will have questions where the marketer isn’t equipped to handle the answers.

    They just don’t know the answers.

    I was talking a number of years ago with the folks at Analytica and I was at their booth at the B2B forum.

    And we were talking about graph networks.

    And you know, the person in the booth saying, oh, yeah, our software has this type of, you know, proprietary blah, blah, blah for for identifying influencers.

    And I said, let me talk to somebody who is on the software side with the engineering side, and we got to they there was someone there, I got to chatting with them.

    And they explained like, here’s the algorithm we use.

    Here’s the the specific tech Niek and to me that gives the brand credibility.

    It says we’re willing to let you look under the hood and say, Huh, this is what’s under here.

    Look, it’s hamsters, I’m just kidding.

    And conversely, a brand that won’t, don’t work with them, don’t buy from them.

    Don’t don’t work, don’t have an influencer relationship with them because they got something to hide.

    If you won’t let engineering speak on escorted with a prospect or an influencer, you got something to hide, and that’s not good.

    Ideally, your influences should know your product as well as you do.

    Ideally, your influences should know its strengths and its weaknesses and be able to talk credibly about that to say like, yeah, this product is not for you, right? To the people who it’s not for real simple example, IBM software for the most part, if you are not a fortune 500 IBM software is not a great fit most of the time, right? dB two is a gigantic database, it is highly reliable, it is highly secure, it is highly a pain in the butt figure.

    And you need to know the ins and outs of it right? The IBM z mainframe, your average mom and pop shop does not need that.

    Right? They no one needs a mainframe.

    If you’ve got like less than 1000 employees.

    There’s certain lines of business where that makes total sense.

    And if you if you don’t let your influencers, see the inner workings of the products and services, you’re doing them a disservice.

    And you’re doing yourself a disservice because they are going to then say things that may not be true.

    Or in my case, just won’t work with you because you can’t trust what you don’t see.

    Right.

    So what’s the back end? I’ll give you another example.

    The folks over go Charlie, the marketing AI software company, I got a chance to sit down and chat with their chief AI officer dispute acoustal.

    And we got super technical.

    I was asking about vectorization embeddings, positional encodings, all this stuff that’s part of, you know, large language models.

    And she was very frank, she explained where things were things weren’t with the product and stuff.

    And as a result of that conversation, I trust that product because the person who’s representing it knows what they’re doing.

    Right.

    So that’s what makes me say yes to a brand collaboration.

    The last thing of course, is fair value exchange, right? Is our both parties getting mutual, equitable value, right? It doesn’t necessarily have to be money, a little money never hurts.

    But can we use the product? Can we use the product like a customer would? Can we get exposure to a new audience and audience that maybe we don’t have access to? So there’s, there’s different ways to provide value, but the value exchange has to be bilateral, and it has to be mutual access to stakeholders, experts, things like that.

    All sorts of things that that there are value in.

    So that’s what makes me say yes or no to a brand collaboration.

    That’s the third question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Short or Long Term Influencer Partnerships?

    You Ask, I Answer: Short or Long Term Influencer Partnerships?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    Do you like short-term or more long-term partnerships?

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    In today’s episode, we continue with our questions from the B2B influencer marketing summit that was recently held by SAP and Analytica.

    Today’s question is, in the context of B2B influencer marketing, do you like short term or more long term partnerships? For me, personally, I prefer to have more long term brand partnerships, because transactional stuff is fine, I’m certainly not going to say no to it, but developing an understanding of the brand, what they do, and how there’s their products or services are of benefit to people takes time, right? It takes time to to learn what a company does learn how it’s useful.

    Try out the company’s products or services.

    I’m a big proponent of influencers using the things that they are representing.

    Right? I have substantial issues with people who make all kinds of claims about stuff they, they’re basically talking heads, they’ve been given some talking points by the brand.

    And if you ask them, they don’t actually know anything about the product or service.

    They just go.

    Right sort of generic coverage of it.

    I think an influencer if they want to be influential if they want to be perceived by their audience as credible, needs to know what it is that they’re being influential about.

    Right? If you have, say, a piece of software like, you know, IBM Watson Studio, how well do you know it? How well can you use it? How well, can you tell somebody else about it in ways that are authentic, that are ways that are a first person perspective? Can you tell people what the weaknesses are? Can you tell people what it’s not good at? Those are really important talking points that a brand isn’t going to tell you, right? Brad’s gonna say, oh, yeah, this piece of software here.

    People who work in finance definitely shouldn’t use it, because it behind the scenes is kind of a disaster with compliance, right? I’m praying, it’s probably not going to hand that information out to an influencer.

    But somebody who has hands on experience with, say, that piece of software will know Yeah, this.

    There’s some problems on the back end of the software, it’s a good piece of software.

    But there’s these problems.

    And so that’s only stuff that you can get through long term partnerships.

    The other thing that’s good about long term partnerships, and this is more on the influencer side is that it? Once you’ve established trust, once you’ve established a relationship with the brand, it gets easier to do subsequent projects, right, it gets easier to come up with new ideas, it gets easier to build on the work that you’ve already done, and bring more benefit to the relationship.

    Think about it.

    Think about it, like, act like dating, right? What is a series of, you know, one night stands? was a series of first dates.

    Yeah, but it’s, it’s entertaining for some people.

    But you never really get to, to experience any depth with that, right? Because you’re always moving on to something new.

    And the same is true in this context.

    If you’re always, you know, representing this piece of software this week, and this company next week and stuff, and you’re not learning about what they do and how they actually work, you’re gonna have a hard time.

    Seeing the big picture around that company, you’re gonna have a hard time talking credibly about the company, in depth.

    B2B is different than B2C B2B.

    Marketing is very often collaborative.

    And they’re typically for at least for big ticket purchases, there are a lot of decision makers there are a lot of information gathers right think about how a enterprise B2B purchase works.

    Do you have a team of people putting together a shortlist of companies to talk to you have researchers gathering information doing their due diligence, you have all that information bubbling up to key stakeholders who then meet with one or more of the parties involved in in an RFP process or something? And all along the way? The people that are gathering the information to help the decision be made.

    They’re going out to influencers and analysts and reviews and stuff trying to figure out what who even belongs on the list.

    If you have a long term partnership with an influencer, there’s a good chance that that influencer has had and created much more content about you than in a short term relationship, right? You think about it, you know, they wrote one blog post or put up a LinkedIn post or or did one YouTube video with you and then they’re off, and how much how easy is it going to be for some One who’s doing research about that company to stumble across that one blog post, not very, if you have a long term partnership where that influence is creating a body of work around you, for years, there’s a good chance that someone doing their due diligence on on whatever product or service, it’s going to matter, right? It’s got to be found.

    I’ve talked for years about using IBM Watson Studio.

    And before that IBM Watson analytics.

    I’m a member of the IBM champions, I do stuff with IBM on a fairly regular and frequent basis.

    I talk about IBM, in my talks, I showcase their software where it’s appropriate to do so the probability of someone who follows me for any amount of time hearing about IBM in a positive light, but a fair one is pretty high.

    And so the next time somebody who’s doing their research, you know, if they happen to come across one of the many, many pieces of content I’ve created about IBM, they’ll go okay, this, this person recommends that this person seems to have some hands on experience with them.

    Let’s include that input into the RFP process questions to ask the different companies.

    That’s, I think the benefit of those long term influencer marketing relationships in B2B Especially, the decision cycles are long.

    There’s a lot of stakeholders.

    There’s a lot of research and gathering of information.

    And if you have a long term partnership with an influencer, there’s there’s more information there about you to be found during the buying process.

    I think it’s really important.

    But that’s the second question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Building Partnerships with Influencers?

    You Ask, I Answer: Building Partnerships with Influencers?

    In this series, I answer questions from the B2B Influencer Marketing Summit hosted by SAP and Onalytica. I participated in a panel discussion, a format that doesn’t really allow for deep dives into particular questions, so we’re tackling these questions individually here. Today’s question is:

    What is the best way for a relationship to form between you and a brand?

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    In today’s episode, we’re going to answer some questions about influencer marketing, specifically B2B influencer marketing.

    Recently, I had the opportunity to attend the B2B influencer marketing Summit held by SAP and Analytica, they invited me to speak on a panel.

    And normally I try to say no to panels, because panels, by their very nature are very broad, and not very deep, right? If you have two, three or four panelists and say, a 30 minute time slot, you really can’t dig deep into any one topic and still give everyone a chance to speak, to be heard in a fair and equitable manner.

    And get through a lot of material typically does not happen.

    So panels are good for sort of a broad, very surface level look at something and not a deep dive.

    And a lot of the questions that the team had put together for the panelists are really good questions that deserve more time than we had.

    So I figured I would tackle some of these questions here, where there is no time limit, there’s no other panelists.

    I don’t have to worry about talking over somebody or trying to get something out too quickly.

    And not saying what, what might be useful or helpful.

    So let’s dig in the first one.

    Now, the first question from the panel that we’ll start with today’s episode is, what’s the best way for a relationship to form between you being an influencer and a brand within the context of B2B marketing.

    And, at least for me, the longest lasting and most successful partnerships that I’ve had with brands are typically around brands and products and services that I already use, or that someone offers me a chance to use and say, Hey, here’s the here’s the thing.

    We think it’s good, here’s why we think it’s good.

    And we’d like to give it to you, without any strings attached to try it out.

    software services in the past, I’ve worked with, like Talkwalker, for example, IBM Watson Studio, things, these, these are all services that have had a chance to try.

    And then as I see if you know, if a company has the goods or not, typically, that can then lead to an engagement of some kind of piece of content of recommendation, something that is a useful value.

    And the value exchange is pretty clear.

    I get ongoing access to the product, and they get ongoing exposure with the audience with you.

    And I feel like those the the relationships that tend to work the best for me, what tends to work less well, is, at least on a long term basis, are you know, hey, here’s a thing, would you talk about it, right? Or would you like to do an interview with somebody, stuff like that.

    And I get a ton of those pitches.

    Really.

    They’re done by marketers who expect influencers to be like advertisers, and to some degree and with some folks, that is 100% of the case.

    You give the person your money, and they do the thing that you ask them to do.

    But certainly within B2B marketing, there is almost an expected level of expertise or credibility that goes with the influencer marketing to not just have someone shilling for your company.

    But to actually understand the use case, why would somebody use this product or service? What makes it valuable? It’s different than consumer B2C influencer marketing, right? You see a celebrity or even a micro influencer, they get the product, they liked the product, they do a few things on Instagram with it, and they’re out they’ve accomplished their goal.

    You don’t tend to see a lot of long term partnerships with influencers and B2C Typically, you know, they come and go.

    Sponsorships are the same way go to a popular YouTubers account.

    You see them hocking mailboxes this day and fresh food delivery this day.

    And you never get a sense of okay, this is a company that aligns well with the influencer.

    And that the influencer would be credible to talk about, right? I had a company recently give me a product and I’m like, I don’t use this product.

    I, I don’t really like this product.

    And I didn’t feel comfortable representing it because as like, this is really off target.

    Right? I talked about marketing and data science and AI, and you gave me this, you know, left handed smoke shifter thing.

    And it’s like, man, it’s not really not really on target.

    And that’s a big part of building those relationships as well.

    He’s He’s the is the brand relevant, right? Is there something that I personally find interesting.

    Now, you know, there’s that’s not to say there aren’t there isn’t room for consumer goods within a B2B influencers.

    sphere.

    Right, if you happen to manufacture say hand folded katanas Sure, hit me up, right? Doing stuff with swords is very much part of who I am.

    But I think that’s, that’s where a lot of brands go wrong.

    They do not do their homework, they do not investigate who they’re looking at for influencers, they’ve typically gone into some influencer marketing software portal list of requisite number of followers or whatever the surface metric they’re using.

    And they don’t really dig in and say, okay, is this person the kind of person that we would want representing us? You’d be a simple example, I dig pretty deep into people’s claims about AI.

    And if you say you’re using AI, and it’s not particularly robust, or you’re just outright lying, I’m probably gonna say that out loud.

    I’m gonna say, oh, yeah, this company, they, they they kind of have AI but is really primitive and perhaps don’t use their software.

    Right? That’s not going to make a brand manager super happy to hear that from an influencer, that presumably, they they’ve paid money or spent time developing relationship on.

    So that’s consideration as well.

    It’s going to vary your experience is going to vary every influencer because they’re all human, right? They’re all people, every influencer is going to be different.

    Some influencers is gonna say, yeah, just give me your credit card, and we’ll do stuff others are gonna say, who are you? What do you do and why are you talking to me? And the spectrum is as wide and as varied as there are people.

    So forming relationships with influencers means doing homework, making sure that it’s what you have to offer is relevant.

    Making sure that their audience is relevant to you, and figuring out ways to do stuff in advance by doing your homework that are aligned and work for both you and the influence you have in mind.

    So that’s today’s question from the B2B influencer marketing Summit.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Is Organic Social Media a Marketing Channel?

    You Ask, I Answer: Is Organic Social Media a Marketing Channel?

    Theresa asks, “What’s your actual position on whether or not social media is a marketing channel?”

    In this video, I answer a question from the Agorapulse Great Debate: is organic social media a marketing channel? Note that this is not a question about whether organic social media works or not – that’s not debated. It’s whether it falls into the marketing channel category or not. Watch the video to find out more.

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    In today’s episode, Theresa asks, What is your actual stance on whether or not social media organic social media is a marketing channel or not? This is a follow on to the Agorapulse great debate about organic social media and whether it is a marketing channel or not in that debate, I was assigned the position of against that organic social media is not a marketing channel.

    This happens to coincide with what I actually believe that it’s not a marketing channel.

    And here’s why.

    Organic social media is an umbrella term for a bunch of very, very disparate products and services, right? You of course, have the obvious things like Facebook, for example, or Instagram, but you also have stuff like Slack or Discord, or Tiktok, or YouTube, take your pick of the gazillion and a half different apps that all fall under the social media umbrella, here’s an easy way to to look at the products that go into a product like Agorapulse.

    And you’ll see in there all the different social networks that connects to so why can’t we call this a marketing channel? Because there’s no way do apples to apples on anything in there, right? If you go in and you look right, Slack Discord like yeah, these are powerful tools for social media communities or managing social media communities, and they work great Facebook groups, similar LinkedIn groups, etc.

    How do you do an apples to apples comparison with that and say, Tiktok? Right? How do you even do an apples to apples comparison with say Facebook and YouTube? Right? Facebook says a video of viewers three seconds, YouTube says a video viewers 30 seconds.

    So you can’t even compare apples to apples in the same kind of format.

    When you look at a marketing channel, the purpose of a marketing channel is to deliver information and possibly enable the sale of goods to consumers within that channel, right? How do you how you deliver products and services and goods to someone in a Discord server versus on your Tiktok profile, totally different, totally different can even use even the same copy, you have to transform into different media formats.

    compound that with the fact that organic social media really is kind of a horizontal, right? If you’re good at it, you can use it at every stage of the customer journey.

    You can use it for awareness, you can use it for consideration.

    You can use it for purchase enablement, right.

    You can buy stuff right off of Instagram, you can use it for customer service and reputation management, evangelism, things like that there have been any number of companies that have bought software that does employee advocacy on social media programs, a marketing channels purpose.

    And design intent is for marketing, right? It’s not for sales, right? You can’t use display ads for customer service, just just not a thing.

    And yet, when we talk about whether or not social media is a marketing channel on when we treat it, like an aggregated marketing channel, we’re kind of lumping all that stuff in together.

    And that’s not what a marketing channel is.

    It’s important to distinguish that we’re saying I’m saying that organic social media is not a marketing channel, that is not the same as saying it’s ineffective, right.

    I think during the debate, people got kind of confused.

    That saying was bad or that was ineffective.

    And yeah, if you’re bad at it, it’s ineffective.

    But if you’re bad at anything, it’s ineffective.

    But the question was, the debate was is a marketing channel? Not whether it’s good or not, not whether it’s effective or not, it is effective in the right hands.

    So social media is very effective.

    It’s just not a marketing channel.

    And again, it for me it comes down to, can you do apples to apples comparisons of the strategies, tactics, execution and measurement of disparate social channels? The answer is no, you can’t.

    You can do subsets right.

    Realistically, every individual service in social media is a marketing channel, right? Instagram is a marketing challenge.

    You can do an apples to apples comparison of an influencer program on Instagram with your your company’s Instagram brand profile, that is a sensible way to do apples to apples, which is getting better engagement, it’s the same kind of engagement, same definitions for what constitutes a view, etc.

    But when you’re trying to do cross channel measurement in social media, it’s really difficult.

    How do you measure the impact of Instagram? And how is it different from how you measure the impact of slack or Telegram, right, or Wechat or WhatsApp? They’re all social media.

    But they’re not all the same.

    And the measurement among them is not apples to apples.

    So from that debate, no organic social media is not a channel and critically, if you are treating it as a channel and lumping all the data together and measuring to get together, you are probably unfairly boosting underperforming channels and unfairly penalizing your over performing channels within on social media, so Don’t lump it all together, be very granular with it and you’ll, you’ll get more success out of your social media efforts because you’ll focus on what’s working for you within the umbrella term of social media.

    Good question.

    As you heard, we had quite a debate about it, and I hope that you give it some thought and how you measure it and manage your social media.

    Thanks for watching.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Top SEO Metrics and Analytics?

    You Ask, I Answer: Top SEO Metrics and Analytics?

    Joanne asks, “What are the top data analytics you should be looking at to help with SEO performance?”

    In this video, Joanne wants to know what data analytics are important to measure for SEO performance. I believe there are five essential sets of numbers that tell the story of your SEO performance and can help you diagnose and improve your SEO program. The first is organic impressions, which measures how often your website appears in searches. The second is organic clicks, which tracks how many times a user clicks on your website from a search result. The third is organic search traffic, which measures how much traffic you are getting from organic search. The fourth is organic session duration, which shows how long users spend on your site from an organic search. And finally, conversions, which tells you how many conversions you have from organic search. These five metrics can help you identify what’s working and what’s not, and fix any issues quickly. If you want to get more advanced, you can conduct sophisticated statistical tests to see which metrics correlate most strongly with conversions. Thanks for watching, and don’t forget to hit that subscribe button for more videos like this.

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    In today’s episode, Joanne asks, what are the top data analytics you should be looking at to help with SEO performance? So what do we measure? How do we measure SEO? intelligently? What are the things that we should be looking at? There’s five sets of numbers that I think, tell a story tell a good story about SEO in a way that we can use to diagnose not only what’s happening with our SEO program, but maybe what what’s going wrong, and some of them can even provide advanced warning, but things are not going our way.

    No surprise, it follows the basic customer journey.

    Right? So your first measure of SEO, organic impressions, this is something you measure in like Bing Webmaster Tools, Google Search Console, how often are you showing up in searches? Right? If on a per turn basis? How often is your your website being shown by Google to users say, hey, Google thinks that for whatever term that the user typed in, you’re a good fit for this term.

    So we’re going to show your website somewhere, you know, on the top 500 results.

    And obviously, you know, things like ranking positions and stuffs do matter to some degree, but just that number alone, how much you showing up in search, that’s number one, that’s sort of your very top of your SEO funnel.

    Because if you’re not showing up at all in search, guess what, you’re not going to get any business out of search.

    Right? That’s, that’s number one.

    Number two, are the number of organic search clicks.

    And again, this comes from tools like Bing Webmaster Tools, and Google Search Console.

    When your site shows up, in a search result, it’s kind of like a pay per click ad, almost right? Just paying for it.

    How many times a person clicks on your listing and a search listing? is an effective measure of saying, How many times does the human agree with Google, that this result is relevant? If you type in Chris Penn, but you’re really looking for the the late Chris Penn, the actor, and you see my site and listing, you’re not going to click on it, because you’ll, it’ll say, marketing, keynote speaker, Christopher Penn, and that’s not who I was looking for, I was looking for the guy in Reservoir Dogs.

    So for that search, that result would not be relevant, and you wouldn’t get the click.

    If on the other hand, you search for marketing expert, Chris Penn, and you see my website, you’re gonna click on it, because that aligns with what you were looking for.

    So your second measure in SEO is organic clicks.

    How many times? Does the human agree with the search engine? that your site is the right choice? The answer to their question? And again, that’s one of those things where if the number is zero, you’re in trouble.

    Number three, and this should be pretty obvious.

    organic search traffic on your website.

    How much? Or traffic? Are you getting from organic search on your website? Simple, simple measure? Again, if the answer is zero, SEO is not doing anything for you.

    So you want to keep an eye on that number.

    How much actual traffic are you getting? This is more complex than it looks sometimes.

    Because there are plenty of searches for which Google in particular will show an exact answer in let you know there are answer box results that doesn’t require a click right? If someone types in Trust Insights, hours of operation, right, it will spit the answer out on the on the website and on right and Google and no, you don’t have to click, there’s no reason to click because the answer is right there.

    But you still want to keep an eye on your organic traffic and should still generally not be going down into the right.

    Number four.

    And this one is probably the one that I think I see least used organic session duration.

    How long does a user from organic search spend with you how much time they spend with you during that visit? This is important because again, if somebody clicks through, maybe they see that that snippet that preview and they click on the listing.

    If they spent two seconds, like they read the first half, you know, two sentences on the page.

    And then boom, they’re out.

    They didn’t they didn’t see value in what you had to offer.

    If they come in and they spend like 22 minutes on your site in that session from organic search.

    Not only did they find what they were looking for, but they found a bunch of other stuff they were looking for too.

    And that’s a good thing.

    That’s a great thing you want that you want.

    People will come into your site and go wow, it’s like a buffet.

    I get this so much here that I want.

    So organic search session duration is I think an important number and the fifth and final one.

    conversions, right? How many conversions have organic search somewhere in the conversion journey? Maybe it wasn’t the last thing somebody but was in there, it helped it was part of the journey.

    If the answer to this number is zero, then organic search isn’t doing anything for you.

    Right so Whatever attribution model you’re using, make sure that organic search is in there that SEO is that’s how you know SEO is working, because it’s helping convert, because it means that you found the right person to the right place at the right time that they wanted to do the thing.

    So those are the five measures that I like.

    And the reason I like them is because they tell a story from does Google or the search engine think you’re you’re relevant? Does the user agree? When the does the user click through? Does the user spend time with you? After clicking through? Does the user do something of value to you, that tells it nice story.

    That’s very linear from a data perspective.

    And if you see one of those areas go off the rails, the number just goes to zero.

    You know what to fix.

    That’s the important part, right? If organic impressions go to zero, it means Google doesn’t think you’re relevant anymore.

    So you need to spend some time optimizing on site and off site.

    If you’re not getting clicks, but you’re getting impressions.

    That means that things like your, your pages appearance and organic search, it’s not answering people’s questions, right, they look at the list and go that doesn’t seem relevant to me, and they don’t click on it.

    You can tune that to some degree, organic traffic, if if people are clicking, are seeing on the results.

    That organic traffic number is one that tells you Yeah, they were getting traffic from this search engine to this search engine.

    There are some customers, some clients I’ve seen, they get more of their traffic from like Bing, or Yahoo, and Google, as long as that traffic is converting, that’s good to know.

    Number four, if people are not spending time with you, your content sucks.

    There’s no There’s no way to sugarcoat that, right? If they if people don’t spend time with you, it’s because they don’t value you.

    They don’t see what’s in it for them in your content.

    And finally, if there’s no conversions, then you’re not offering the right things.

    Assuming you did a good job with the first four stages, your offer is broken, right? Your offer is not appealing.

    What whatever the offer is download eBooks, subscribe to the newsletter, buy a shirt, whatever.

    It’s not aligned with what people are there for.

    So those would be the measures that I recommend for SEO, if you’re going to be measuring SEO.

    I like those measures.

    I like them, because they tell you what’s wrong.

    They tell you how to fix it.

    And they’re easy.

    They’re easy to look at one dashboard go, Okay, this is up, this is down, this is up, this is down.

    And you can get started fixing things really quickly.

    There are tons of other measures and metrics that you can look at and search.

    And there’s two ways to address those.

    I like this for people just to get them started, you know, impressions, clicks, traffic, session duration and conversions.

    If you want to get fancy, you take your conversions, and you take all the SEO metrics you have and you do a very sophisticated statistical test or regression analysis to see which SEO metrics have the highest correlation to the outcome conversions that you care about.

    Maybe some of these measures don’t matter for your site, maybe other ones do.

    I would encourage you to do that.

    If you’re if you find that you’re not able to get the needle to move after looking at these these numbers.

    That’s but that’s a more advanced technique.

    It’s a tougher technique to use for a lot of companies.

    Start with these.

    Really good question.

    Really good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Misinformation Risks with ChatGPT?

    You Ask, I Answer: Misinformation Risks with ChatGPT?

    Carl asks, “Are there risks associated with ChatGPT churning out misinformation, and how should marketers address that risk?”

    In this episode, I address the risks associated with ChatGPT and its potential to churn out misinformation. However, ChatGPT is just a tool, and like any tool, it depends on how it’s used. There are restrictions in place to prevent malicious misuse, but those who intend to spread misinformation are likely to use their own custom-tuned models, making it difficult to monitor and prevent. As marketers, it’s important to focus on using these tools ethically and aligning our marketing with our values. So, should marketers be concerned about ChatGPT? Not really, but we should be aware of the potential risks and use these tools responsibly. Thanks for tuning in, and don’t forget to hit that subscribe button.

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    In today’s episode, Carl asks, Are there risks associated with ChatGPT? churning out misinformation? And how should marketers address that risk? Are there risks associated with Microsoft Word churning out misinformation? Of course, of course, these are just tools.

    These are just appliances.

    And yeah, ChatGPT and artificial intelligence systems are capable of doing more than, say, a regular Word Processor.

    But at the end of the day, it’s still just a tool, right? You buy the fanciest, you know, air fire on the market that has all this AI built into it and stuff, it’s still just gonna sit there on the counter unless you put fruit in it, and program it to do something, right, it’s still got to do the thing.

    But you have to be the one to initiate it.

    You can absolutely use ChatGPT or any large language model to crank out pretty much any kind of content.

    There are restrictions built into open AI tools that tried to prevent the most egregious misuses the most egregious Mulligan actors that are have a malicious intent.

    But people who are going to be really skilled at misinformation and disinformation campaigns are not going to be using the off the shelf version of these tools anyway, they’re going to grab a a an open source model that is free to everyone.

    And they’re going to fine tune it for their specific use case.

    If there’s specific use cases undermining the democracy of the Idaho State Legislature as an example, they will tune that tool to do that, right.

    And for the players in the market, who are truly malicious actors who are truly hostile powers.

    They’ve got the budget, and the people and and the technology and the data, to be able to afford to build their own models and stuff.

    They’re not going to use ChatGPT.

    They’re not going to use OpenAI.

    The reality is that smaller open source models, if you learn how to fine tune them properly, can easily beat the big open source, the big public models for specific tasks for which you train them.

    So someone who wants to undermine democracy or spread misinformation about vaccines or whatever, they’re going to be able to do that really easily with the custom tune model.

    And because those custom models you can run on like a gaming laptop, there’s going to be no oversight.

    And there’s no way for company like Microsoft or Google or OpenAI to look over your shoulder and go wow, you really shouldn’t be doing that with that.

    That’s that’s what’s, you know, the bigger challenge that we’re all going to have to face.

    People who use an off the shelf product to churn out misinformation are kind of the amateurs, they’re not going to cause serious harm.

    The people who are going to cause serious harm are the ones who have the backing of a of a hostile government or a hostile non government organization with deep pockets.

    And they’re going to build these things behind closed doors, you’re not going to know about it.

    And they’re going to be very, very successful at what they do.

    This has been the case for decades, right? This has been the case since the internet became public.

    There have always been bad actors, there have always been scammers.

    There have always been people using the internet trying to manipulate perception and opinion.

    It’s easier now.

    It scales better now.

    But it’s the exact same thing.

    It’s always been.

    So what should marketers do to address that risk? Well, a don’t turn up misinformation, right? It seems funny saying it to, to our profession, but try not lying.

    Try try telling the truth.

    Because a it’s a whole lot easier to defend in court.

    And B.

    You don’t need to go jump through nearly as many hoops, right? If you will have one set of data that you’re working with that you which is the truth.

    You don’t have to create distorted versions of that to fit on a specific narrative you’re trying to tell.

    Otherwise, the other thing that marketers should be thinking about is ethics.

    Ethics.

    You do what you say you’re going to do.

    You say you’re going to do X, you do that thing.

    And right now, there’s not a lot of market who are in that in the ability of the place we’re in have the power to do that within their organizations or choose not to, because it conflicts with their own interests.

    right to say that your product is second best in the market.

    Right.

    Very few companies can pull off that campaign.

    Very few companies are willing to say yeah, we’re not the best.

    We’re working on improving.

    And so should marketers be concerned about misuse of ChatGPT? Not really.

    Should marketers be concerned about ChatGPT? In general? Also not really.

    What they should be concerned about is how do they use these tools to improve their own marketing aligned with the ethics, and whatever your morals are, whatever your values are, so that you use these tools in the best way possible.

    So, this is a good question.

    It’s a good question.

    And it’s important that people ask this question.

    I don’t want to seem dismissive of it.

    It’s important that people be asking what could go wrong at every turn, and with every technology out there so that you’re prepared for that? So it’s a good question.

    Thanks for asking.

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