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In this episode Carol asks, regarding chat GPT if I provide positive feedback after an answer, will the influence chat GPT-2 Next replies? Yes, but it depends on the kind of positive feedback we’re talking about.
There’s two essential feedback mechanisms to chat GPT.
One is you’ll notice next to each prompt, there’s a thumbs up thumbs down.
That is the training data that we are asked to provide as users of the system as beta users to say this response was good or this response was not good.
Doing that provides training data to OpenAI to essentially take those prompt response pairs, the ones that got thumbs up, when it basically was back into the training model and says, do more of this stuff.
And it wasn’t got thumbs down, it goes into the back of the training while saying do less of this stuff.
And so that feedback, it’s called reinforcement learning, helps AIS get smarter, essentially, get get more clever at what they do, by avoiding things that are that are not appropriate.
That’s one of the reasons why fine tuning, which is a process where you retrain the AI a little bit or give some things additional weights is so important.
That’s one aspect.
The second aspect is if you’re talking about sort of just text interaction, that doesn’t amend the training dataset, not overtly, but what it does do is that it provides guidance for the model within that session to do less or more of something.
And that data may may be used for reinforcement learning as well, if it’s clear enough that the feedback is about that prompt.
But the the mechanism that for sure, we know impacts the reinforcement learning is the thumbs up thumbs down thing.
When you’re working within a session within OpenAI within a specific conversation, providing positive feedback or corrective feedback will help more than anything, refine the results that you get, right.
If you say to him, hey, good answer.
It may say thank you and may do all these things and then say, Do you want to continue to want to do something more that that’s going to be sort of in session textual feedback, but it doesn’t change the model as much as the thumbs up thumbs down ratings.
So if you want to influence chat GPT to overall provide a better experience use that the built in rating system if you want to see how it interacts with you within that session and the feedback that it gives you and the way the prompts and the outputs change.
You can use in conversation feedback as well, but there’s been no indication that OpenAI overtly uses that training data as part of its reinforcement learning mechanisms.
They may they may, we just don’t know that’s not disclosed in the documentation.
Good question.
Thanks for asking.
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On a recent episode of the always excellent Marketing Companion with Tom Webster and Mark Schaefer, they both ruminated about building interactivity into podcasts. The few remaining veteran podcasters from the old days have a few tricks up our sleeves that can help.
If you’re hankering for that “almost live” feeling, there is no better way to get recordings from your studio audience via Google Voice. Google Voice will send you transcripts AND audio files that people leave as voicemails from a standard phone. Audience members need no special equipment and no special skills other than leaving a coherent voicemail. Just set up a free Google Voice mailbox, publicize the number on your show’s web page and in-show, and wait for the audience feedback to trickle in.
The second way to get that “almost live” feeling that’s not quite as good is with text to speech software. Say you’ve got comments from a blog post about the show that you think would make a great audio comment, but you don’t want to go the route of reading them aloud, NPR style. With a system audio recorder (Audio Hijack for the Mac, not sure what for Windows machines) and the iSpeech extension for Chrome, you can highlight a comment on the blog, record the audio, and then insert it into your show. Here, for example, is what the extension can generate out of Tom Webster’s recent blog post on the episode:
Once you’ve got the comments in audio format, simply plop them in the show. As a bonus, you can (with full disclosure, of course) edit and trim the comments first before recording them, allowing for the ideas to shine through while still remaining compact and listenable (a problem sometimes with rambling voicemails).
Either way, both of these “tricks of the trade” are useful for bringing more audience into your audio podcast or other audio content.
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In today’s episode, you’ll learn the secret to transforming your reporting from data vomit into actionable insights β no matter your industry or role. You’ll discover the power of the “three whats”: What happened? So what? Now what? You’ll also learn how generative AI can help you unlock the true potential of your data and drive meaningful change within your organization. Tune in to level up your reporting game!
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In today’s episode, let’s review some Analytics 101 stuff when it comes to reporting. How do you create great reporting for your company, for your job, no matter your role? Whether you’re in marketing, HR, or finance, whether you work in telecommunications, healthcare, or plasticsβwhatever the case.
There are three questions your reports should answer. We call them the three whats:
What happened?
So what?
Now what?
Over the last few months, as I’ve been attending conferences and trade shows, people still have a lot to say about analyticsβand they should. It’s a field that hasn’t gone anywhere. It’s gotten overshadowed by AI, but it’s still relevant. However, it’s harder to do good work in analytics because of data issues.
Fundamentally, the three whats are the backbone of good analytics, of good reporting. “What happened?” literally means what was the result? How did the result happen? You got 40% more visitors to your website. Your call center volumes dropped 26%. Whatever the thing is from a quantitative perspective, or even a qualitative perspective, you want to be able to explain what happened.
The second what is “So what?” What does this mean? What are the implications? What are the unintended consequences? What are the second and third-order effects? Website traffic was down 29%. So what? Did we lose good prospects, or did we discourage looky-loos? What caused that? Why did those things happen? If “what happened” is the what, “so what” is almost the why. Why are we looking at this data? Why does it matter? Why should we consider it?
And then the third one is “Now what?” What are you going to do about it? Okay, website traffic was down 29%, and it was a reasonably important part of our audience because our conversions dropped. Now what? What are we going to do about it to steer towards the outcome we want and avoid things we don’t want? What’s the plan we’re going to build? What does that look like step by step?
This is the basic template for doing good reporting. In an ideal situation, you would spend 20β25% of the time on “what happened,” maybe 20β25% on “so what,” and then 50% or more on “now what”βwhat are you going to do about it? The reality is most people, 95% of their reports, are “what happened,” and there’s a tiny bit of “so what,” and if you’re lucky, there’s a “now what,” but often there isn’t.
I was looking back at some reporting I created about 10 years ago at my old job. I know it was data vomit. It was like, “Oh, here’s all the numbers and all the charts. Look how cool our visualizations are.” It was a whole bunch of “what happened.” There was no “so what.” There was no “now what.” It was just peeking data, which has its place if you’re just trying to cover your butt, but it doesn’t advance things. It doesn’t make things happen. It doesn’t define next steps.
Part of the reason is that people are overwhelmed and trying to get the report done. They’re not thinking ahead to what this information means. The good news is this: if you’ve done the hard work of analyzing “what happened,” and perhaps have a good sense of “so what,” or at least there’s something in the data that leads you to that, then you can use tools like generative AI to help you with the “now what.”
Say, “Here’s what happened. Here’s the so what. Here’s the reason why we think this happened. What do we do about it? What’s our plan? Help me devise a strategy, some tactics, an execution method, and a timeline. Help me measure it.”
Today, people are using generative AI tools in some of the silliest ways possible. Yes, you can use generative AI to write blog posts, but that’s like taking a Harrier to the grocery store. You can do that, but it is capable of way more. It is exactly the kind of thing you would want to use in your analyticsβnot to do the analysis, but to explain what we should do next, to flesh out the “now what.” That’s where you provide value as a subject matter expert, but that’s also where AI can connect the dots and help you see the things you missed.
So take these three whats as part of Analytics 101. Take your data. Feed it to a generative AI tool of your choice: ChatGPT, Anthropic Claude, Google Geminiβit doesn’t matter. With good prompting and your data, have it go through the three whats with you. Have a conversation with it. Ultimately, have it build a report that is 20% “what happened,” 20% “so what,” and 60% “now what.” You will generate better reports. You will generate higher quality work. You will move your company’s business forwardβwhatever you’re making a report forβit will be better if you follow this process.
That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. If you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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In today’s episode, you’ll discover a surprising connection between parenting and using generative AI. Just like a picky eater, AI needs clear instructions to deliver satisfying results. You’ll learn how to avoid the “gruel” of generic AI content and unlock its true potential with a simple, yet powerful, prompting technique. Tune in to become an AI whisperer and get exactly what you want from your AI tools.
Mind Readings: Why Generative AI Prompting is Like Cooking
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In today’s episode, let’s talk about parenting lessons and how they apply to AI. Imagine your child saying, “I’m hungry.” Then you give them food, and they say, “That wasn’t what I wanted.” Anyone who has ever parented a child (or some adults, to be honest) has had an interaction like this. You get a request, try to fulfill the request, and get negative feedback that it wasn’t what the person wanted, but they weren’t clear about what they wanted. They just didn’t want what was put in front of them.
This isn’t just feedback we get about food; it’s the feedback we get about AI. When you listen to people talking about generative AI, critics will say things like, “It’s not creative. It didn’t do what I wanted. It can’t be human. It can’t have emotions. It can’t write strategically. It made mistakes. It’s kind of dumb.”
Well, yeah. If you give it insufficient data and poor instructions, you’re going to get unsatisfying results. You’re going to get back what you put in. If you say to a chef, “I’m hungry,” a bowl of gruel will solve that problem. It may not be what you want, but it will solve that specific problem. You will no longer be hungry after the bowl of gruel. You may be miserable, but you will not be hungry.
If you prompt generative AI to say, “Write a LinkedIn post about B2B marketing insights,” AI will do its best with the limited instructions you’ve given and create the lexical equivalent of gruel.
If, on the other hand, you say, “I’m hungry. I would like a New York strip steak with a Wagyu BMS score of 7, dressed with salt, black pepper, and garlic powder, cooked sous vide at 129Β° Fahrenheit for three hours and finished in a cast iron skillet with garlic, rosemary, and Kerrygold butter for 27 seconds each side, served on a hot ceramic plate heated to 115Β° Fahrenheit⦔βassuming you have a restaurant, chef, or personal cook who will make that for youβyou will get a much more satisfying result than just saying, “I’m hungry.” And for sure, it will not be a bowl of gruel.
But you have to know what you want and express it in a highly detailed manner with specific vocabulary that demonstrates your domain knowledge. That’s a critical point. You have to be able to express what you want out of AI using your domain knowledge. If you don’t have the words to describe what you want, you shouldn’t be surprised if the chef or the AI delivers something that doesn’t meet your expectations. You’ve got to be able to articulate your expectations. “I want an article like this. It’s 750 words. It’s written at a 12th-grade level. It uses words like ‘excite’ or ‘banana,’ or whatever.” The more domain knowledge you bring, the better the results you’ll get, both in AI and at the supper table.
One thing that sets apart generative AI is that you can ask it for help. You can literally say, “Here’s the prompt I’m trying to write.” If we use the Trust Insights REPEL framework (Role, Action, Prime, Prompt, Execute, Evaluate, and Learn), you would start by saying, “You are a prompt engineering expert. You know how to do chain-of-thought prompting,” and mention whatever other prompt engineering techniques you want. “What do you know about the topic of writing great prompts?” Let it talk for a bit, then say, “Here’s the prompt I’m trying to write. Help me make this better. Help me make it work better for ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, or whatever.” Then let it run. Let it remix your prompt. You’ll be amazed at the huge difference that one step makes.
There are all sorts of systems and techniques you can use to make prompts way better, but just that one step will level up your prompt engineering skills dramatically. It’s almost like magic. Ask AI to rewrite the prompt for you if you’re not clear. When the prompt it rewrites is still not clear, then you know what information you forgot to include. You could even say, “What other information do you need to make this prompt as performative as possible, as high-performing as possible?”
That’s how you get great results out of AI: you ask it for help, and then you follow its instructions.
That’s going to do it for today’s episode. Thanks for tuning in. Talk to you on the next one. If you enjoyed this video, please hit the like button. Subscribe to my channel if you haven’t already. If you want to know when new videos are available, hit the bell button to be notified as soon as new content is live.
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What’s On My Mind: What I Learn At Events & Conferences
At the tail end of this year’s MarketingProfs B2B Forum, a friend who works in the conference industry said to me, “Gosh, you must not get a lot out of these events, given how technical you are. Why do you come to them, other than to speak?”
It’s an interesting question, one which has some nuance. Do I go to events to learn the specifics of my craft and trade? No. There are no sessions at any of the events in the marketing industry that are specific to my craft. There are no talks reviewing the latest paper in arXiv or addressing how to deal with tokenizer misalignment in retrieval augmented generation (which is a huge, unaddressed, silent problem).
But that doesn’t mean I get nothing from the events. That doesn’t mean I walk away having learned nothing. Quite the contrary.
What do I learn at events like Social Media Marketing World, the Marketing AI Conference, MarketingProfs B2B Forum, and the dozens of events I’m asked to speak at every year?
I learn the most valuable thing of all:
Problems.
Right now, generative AI is so new (still) that it’s still a solution in search of a problem for the most part.
Classes of Problems
And there are four classes of problems, jokingly called the Rumsfeld Matrix:
The Known Knowns: we know what we know.
The Known Unknowns: we know what we don’t know.
The Unknown Knowns: we don’t know what we know.
The Unknown Unknowns: we don’t know what we don’t know.
When we’ve got a new technology like generative AI, we often apply it in category one: we know what we know. We know the problems that we have, and we know the solutions for those problems, and we try to shoehorn a new technology into the old way of doing things. Drew Davis calls this Lumiere’s Law, where we try to apply new technology as though it were old technology.
This is generally not the best way to apply a new technology. Cars aren’t horses. Smartphones aren’t dumb phones. Laptops aren’t desktops. But until we understand a technology, we’ll try to apply it as though it were the previous solution because that’s how we learn and grow as humans. Our brains work best when we have a starting point we already recognize.
So let’s dig into each of these problem categories so we can better understand what I get out of events.
The Known Knowns
We know what we know.
In the context of AI, these are problems for which we have known solutions. We need to generate X blog posts per month. That’s a complete, easy to understand problem. We know AI is a viable solution for this because, properly prompted, AI can generate very well-written blog posts.
Other problems in this category would be things like basic data classification and cleaning – we know if there’s an email address in our database like [email protected], there’s a very good chance it’s supposed to be [email protected]. We know the problem, we know the solution, and we try to apply the technology to the solution.
At events, these are often the sessions themselves – the speaker on stage isn’t going to present a problem without a solution. This is why sessions are often the least valuable part of an event – we know the problem, and we know the solution. The session might present a better, more efficient solution, but generally will not present a novel new solution that’s completely different.
Where events do provide value, especially for this category, is in the Q&A in sessions when people have a chance to ask questions about the problems and solutions they already know.
What problems and solutions have you gone to events with, looking for more refinement?
The Known Unknowns
We know what we don’t know.
In the context of AI, these are problems where we don’t know the solution, or the solutions we have no longer work. For example, we need to do good attribution analysis of our marketing. But data is a mess, analytics systems are less helpful every day, and we have a problem without a viable solution.
Other problems in this category might be things like true personalization at scale – we know we need to do it, we know broadly that it’s something AI could do, but we haven’t the foggiest idea how to actually implement it. (hint: it involves a lot of non-AI technology)
At events, these are the hallway conversations, the Q&A after the presentation, the conversations at the bar. These are when we find the problems that don’t have good solutions and we listen to how people are trying to solve the problems.
For someone like me, and a company like Trust Insights, this is one of the most valuable reasons to attend an event because we’re in the business of solving problems. The most important thing I can do at an event is listen and take notes on the questions people ask, the frustrations that they have, the things they’ve tried that haven’t worked – and then figure out how to offer those in a paid, professional context.
What problems have you gone to events with, looking for solutions?
The Unknown Knowns
We don’t know what we know.
In the context of AI, these are problems where we don’t know that we know the solution, or the solution is inaccessible to us because of a lack of knowledge. One of the most powerful examples here is in B2B sales. Imagine an AI solution that can pinpoint your competition, their value proposition, and why you’re losing deals. The system gives you a complete analysis of what’s going wrong and how to fix it.
Would you buy that? I sure would if I owned or operated a B2B sales team. Well, the funny thing is, you already own this system. You already have the answer. It’s the call transcripts of your sales team, the emails they sent, the questions they receive. All that unstructured data is sitting around in your marketing automation software, in your CRM, in your call center, in your inbox like veins of pure gold buried in the earth.
And you’re not digging for it at all. The reality is that generative AI could ingest all that data and provide that analysis for you whenever you wanted it. You don’t know what you know because your knowledge is distributed and disorganized.
At events, these are also part of the hallway conversations. These conversations tend to be more broad, about general frustrations but people can’t put their finger on what the problem even is. They can’t articulate the problem well, and thus no solution is even remotely in view. You have to know the domain really well to identify that they’re circling around the problem in the dark, but they don’t know what the problem is.
For events, this is part of gap analysis. You don’t know the problem but you might know the solution if you could articulate the problem. For example, suppose I were to take the entire program agenda of MarketingProfs B2B Forum and put it into a generative AI tool. I could then ask it, based on its broad knowledge of B2B marketing, where the knowledge gaps are in the agenda, what’s not being covered. It might return with things like:
The agenda is very US-centric, and marketing is a global enterprise. What are strategies and tactics for marketing outside North America, and what do we need to understand about language, culture, and business practices in different countries?
The agenda doesn’t contain anything about sustainability or purpose-driven marketing. How might marketers operate in those specific environments?
The key takeaway for me at events is that there are a ton of people walking around with unknown knowns. They need help articulating the problem, and once they do, the solution becomes apparent.
What problems have you tried to get more clarity and articulation about at events?
The Unknown Unknowns
We don’t know what we don’t know.
In the context of AI, this is the most challenging area, the area where I spend most of my professional development time. We don’t know the problems or the solutions – we don’t know what’s possible. The technology may be capable of things that we can’t even imagine right now because it’s so new, so emergent, and so confusing that we can’t get a handle on things.
For example, the AI world is abuzz about AI agents right now, but agents are still fairly murky for most folks. What are AI agents? How do they work?
Because it’s so new, we can’t articulate problems or solutions well, though we’re starting to understand the scope of agents with the latest technology releases. If we think of them as autonomous software – self-driving apps – then we are suddenly faced with the possibility of AI that makes purchases or does research on behalf of humans.
Imagine how much your B2B marketing would change if the buying committee at a company has an AI agent go out, search and compile all the public data about the vendors in a space, and presents a report to the buying committee of the short list of recommended vendors based on the criteria provided. How would your B2B marketing change if a huge part of the buyer’s journey – awareness, consideration, and part of evaluation – was done by AI instead of humans?
Here’s an example. Suppose I deployed an AI research agent to crawl articles about live streaming software, looking for alternatives to Streamyard, our current platform. I’d provide it the basic requirements, and then the agent would go and:
Search the web for content about Streamyard alternatives, locked to content published in the last 12 months or newer
Download the content to an offline database
Provide the database and our requirements to an LLM
Have the LLM create the shortlist
All this would happen behind the scenes, done by the AI agent. What we as the buying committee would get would just be the best match of recommendations:
Your Requirements:
Multi-user streaming: Essential for your team to collaborate on-screen. [cite: 113]
Multi-platform streaming: Reach viewers on YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, and Twitch. [cite: 113]
5 concurrent users: The software needs to handle at least 5 simultaneous streamers. [cite: 113]
Budget: Keeping costs at or below $70 per month. [cite: 113]
StreamYard is a solid choice, but let’s explore some alternatives that might be a better fit or offer more for the same price. Here are a few options that meet your criteria:
Cons: Free plan has multi-streaming limits. Paid plans start at \$16/month. [cite: 651, 656]
Consider if: You value ease of use and a strong free plan to get started. [cite: 649, 650, 651]
Castr:
Pros: Robust, supports your platforms, embedding, pre-recorded video scheduling. [cite: 4116, 4117, 4127, 4128, 4129, 4130]
Cons: More complex setup, potentially higher cost. [cite: 4116, 4117]
Consider if: You need advanced features (embedding, scheduling) and are comfortable with some learning curve. [cite: 4116, 4117]
Switchboard Live:
Pros: Made for multi-streaming, supports your platforms, guest invites, stream monitoring. [cite: 2465, 2466, 2467]
Cons: Price, depending on your usage. [cite: 2465]
Consider if: Multi-streaming is your top priority and you need advanced management features. [cite: 2465]
That certainly changes the buying process. How would you, as a B2B marketer, deal with AI doing the majority of the buyer’s journey rather than humans? It certainly changes how you approach things like brand awareness, doesn’t it?
Where Events Fit For Me
It should be apparent now, based on the Rumsfeld matrix, why I still find events valuable.
The Known Knowns: I learn the problems people are having with known problems and solutions.
The Known Unknowns: I learn the problems people are having where they are unclear about the solutions.
The Unknown Knowns: I learn the problems people are having trouble articulating but have the right ingredients for the solutions.
The Unknown Unknowns: I learn the problems people are having trouble articulating for which they don’t have any path to a solution.
From these four categories, a conference or an event is a bounty of knowledge about the people I serve. No other marketing channel concentrates the right people in one place so easily, and so events will always be a part of my own professional development.
Will I find solutions to my own professional development at events? Probably not. But I’m mostly set there; with the power of generative AI and great research tools, plus domain knowledge, I can usually work out the solutions to problems I have for myself. What I can’t work out by myself are the problems that you have which I may be able to solve.
Where Events Fit For You (aka What To Do Next)
The Rumsfeld Matrix isn’t just for me to categorize how I know what to look for and listen for at events. It’s for you to organize your thoughts before the next conference or event you attend.
Set up the simple 2×2 matrix on the whiteboard or app of your choice and, with your marketing or business in mind, write out what you want to get from your next event.
The Known Knowns: you know what problems you have, you know what’s working with the solutions you know and what’s not, and you know what specific questions you need answers to make your solutions work better.
The Known Unknowns: you know what problems you have, and you know how to articulate those problems, so you can talk to others at the event about their solutions.
The Unknown Knowns and the Unknown Unknowns: you know there are problems, but you can’t articulate the specifics. You’ll talk to others who might have similar macro problems to see if there’s a way for you to define the problem more clearly.
With that list, you can tackle your next event and get real answers to your problems, real clarity on how to define them and solve them.
And if you’re a speaker, sponsor, or vendor, it should be apparent how to use the Rumsfeld matrix to make events even more valuable for you. Do the same research as me to figure out what people know and don’t know about their problems and solutions, how your product/service/company fits into those questions, and then answer those questions!
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In today’s episode, you’ll discover how to leverage the power of AI to analyze your sales calls and dramatically improve your sales performance. You’ll learn about crucial data governance steps, effective prompting techniques, and the importance of a well-defined taxonomy for accurate analysis. Tune in to unlock the secrets to transforming your sales calls into valuable insights with AI.
You Ask, I Answer: Analyzing Sales Calls with Generative AI?
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In today’s episode, Catherine asks, “Is there a way to upload sales demo calls into AI to synthesize common objections or generate SDR sales scripts?” Yes, there are a bunch of different ways to do this. The most useful way is to sit down and think about what kind of problem you want to solve and how you want to approach it. Is it common objections? Is it common questions? Is it SDR scripts that work really well?
A big part of this project is going to be doing the data governance to define what you want and evaluate if you have the data. Is it properly labeled? Because if the data isn’t labeledβif the call transcripts don’t specify who’s speakingβyou’re going to have a very difficult time processing the data and getting anything intelligible out of it. So, step one is to make sure you have really good data governance. Step two is to figure out what problem you’re trying to solve and then split the data accordingly.
Let’s say you wanted to put together SDR (sales development representative) scripts. To do that, you would probably want some sort of taxonomy, some sort of classification: these were conversations that went well; these are conversations that went poorly; these are conversations that led to movement down the pipeline, or maybe even closed sales; and these were conversations that did not. You’ll probably want a representative sample of your different calls from your system to do that. So again, taxonomy is important. Governance is important to know what the data is.
Now, if you’re trying to synthesize common objections, again, this is a case where you determine if you want objections in general or objections that were successfully answered and led to a closed deal if you’re doing B2B, or things that caused a transaction if you’re doing B2C.
Once you’ve got all that worked out, then you can start loading the data into the generative AI system of your choice. My suggestion would be to do this either with a language model that has a very large context window (short-term memory), such as Google’s Gemini Pro. Gemini Pro 1.5 version 002 supports a context window of two million tokens. What that practically means is about 1.5 million words. Shakespeare’s complete works are about 800,000 words, so you’d want about two of these, which is what Gemini can handle. That’s obviously a lot of call conversations if you’re loading it as text.
You will want a declared taxonomy in your prompt: when Christopher Penn is talking, that represents Trust Insights; when Catherine is talking, that represents Acme Corporation. This allows the language models to differentiate who’s speaking and what’s being said. If you wanted this on a regular basis, you would probably want to work with a system that has good APIs and feed that data (those conversations) into the system. I don’t know that most companies would need that level of frequency unless you’re churning out thousands of sales calls a day, because there’s a good chance that you would get some short-term measurement, but not a really good sense of what’s working in the big picture.
Your prompt has to be explicit about what you want to find out. Is it answering common objections that lead to closed sales? Is it generating SDR scripts? Is it the length of a sales call? All these are different things you could ask of the system once you’ve got the data loaded.
So, that’s the general process for doing this kind of thing. It’s going to take some time. This is not a fast and easy “one prompt and you’re done” thing. You have to classify, organize, and prepare the data, and then hand it to the language model along with a really good prompt so that you get really good results. As a rule of thumb, if the prompt that you’re processing the data with isn’t at least one page long, it’s probably insufficient. So, if your prompt is, “Hey, tell me what’s working in our sales calls,” that is not a very good prompt.
You want to use something like the Trust Insights 5P Framework to dig deep into what to look for in the conversationβwhat markers to look for, what conversational elementsβand have the language model help you build out the prompt so that it’s thorough and comprehensive.
So that’s the answer to Catherine’s question. There’s absolutely a way to do this, but you want to do all your homework up front. If you think about cooking, it’s your mise en placeβgetting all the ingredients and everything prepared. If you don’t do that, you’re going to get wrong answers, possibly hallucinatory answers, and definitely unhelpful answers. So, make sure you do the homework first.
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This week, I’m going to skip over the elephant in the room – the US presidential election results – because I haven’t fully put my thoughts together on it and to discuss it well, I need to do that first. Part of the challenge with writing about politics is what’s in it for YOU, the reader. Sure, I might feel good writing about it for me, but my opinions by themselves don’t help you, and that’s what this newsletter is for. My mad rants go in my journal instead.
So with that, let’s talk about the new keynote I’ll be delivering in 2025, which has the very peculiar name MOST BEST. Maybe that’ll be the book title too.
What in the world is this about, and why do you care? The talk is Most Best: Three Strategies For Surviving and Thriving As a Human In The Age of AI.
Part 1: Background
What do we know to be true about artificial intelligence, especially the newest member of the family, generative artificial intelligence tools like Mid Journey or ChatGPT?
AI is all about helping us do more with less. As businesses, we care about saving time, saving money, and making money. Those three pillars are pretty much universal across every kind of business, from the smallest non-profit or artisan to the largest multinational corporation.
As consumers, we want better, faster, and cheaper. We’ve grown accustomed to a world where we can have anything with the swipe of a finger on our phones. Swipe right to have groceries delivered to your doorstep, to have pretty much any good under the sun arrive in two days or less, to have a bottle of alcohol or a companion for the evening – our smartphones are the remote controls for our lives.
On top of that, we want real personalization. We want things that are uniquely made for us, made to be all about us. We love songs that speak to us, art that resonates, words that feel they were put on the page solely for us to enjoy.
These are all blatantly obvious trends. There’s nothing new here. But what’s new is that we’ve developed a legion of technologies to make these things happen, and for the most part, they delight us. We might forget that delight or lose sight of it, but it does.
AI – traditional and generative – delivers this world to us. Consider how often you get just completely wrong recommendations from commerce services like Amazon or content services like Netflix compared to 5 or 10 years ago. It’s far, far lower. Consider even the content recommendations we get from services like social media and content networks. Yes, you’ll have the amusing “go home Facebook, you’re drunk” posts and the anomalies as algorithms attempt to see what else you might be interested in, but for the most part, you see what you want to see, what you will engage with.
Don’t believe it? Hit the like button on three consecutive posts of a particular topic like cats doing silly stuff on Instagram and within seconds, within like two or three thumbswipes, you’ll see many more cats doing silly stuff. Algorithms and AI adapt VERY quickly.
We’re seeing this in generative AI as well, as systems learn more about us. A few weeks ago, it was all the rage to ask ChatGPT what it thought about us, and a lot of people (who have the system memory turned on) were quite surprised (often pleasantly) by its conclusions.
Part 2: Three Challenges of AI
Artificial intelligence, and especially generative artificial intelligence, presents three significant challenges to users, companies, and organizations.
First, AI works best when it has data to work with. AI without data is like a kitchen appliance without ingredients. If you have good ingredients, you can do far more than if you have rotten ingredients or no ingredients at all. The challenge here isn’t that AI needs data, it’s that companies in general have a very poor handle on what data they have, where it lives, what it can and can’t be used for, and in general, all forms of data governance.
Second, AI is a skill leveler. Charitably put, AI gives above average skills to people who are unskilled in many different areas. The dystopian version is that AI gives wealth access to skill while denying skill access to wealth. Both are true to a degree.
I have zero musical skills. None. I can’t play any instruments, I can’t hear music notes accurately, I know zero music theory. But I can prompt a tool like Suno to create above average music that’s personalized to me or my goals. I’ve lost track of the number of ridiculous songs I’ve made with the software, songs that would never have existed before. Are they good? They’re okay. They’re slightly above average. They’re not great. They’re not going to win Grammies.
In this example, AI isn’t taking work or pay away from real human musicians. The pop country song I prompted Suno to create for my friend Brooke Sellas, asking people to take her customer experience survey, was never a commission I was going to hire for. But now that song, good or bad, exists.
That doesn’t mean real human artists aren’t losing work to AI. They are, unquestionably, and that’s a downside of the technology. If your level of skill in your trade – writing, art, music, photography, etc. – is average or below, a machine can produce better quality work now for much faster and much cheaper. Significantly above average and excellent practitioners still vastly outperform machines.
The third downside to AI, and this is specific to generative AI, is that so many people use the tools in a naive way that all the outputs are homogenous. When a horde of people all type “Write me a 500 word blog post about email marketing best practices in 2025” and then post that content, is it any wonder that the content all sounds the same? When companies all use enterprise-grade AI tools with their brand style guidelines that all sound identical – “write in a professional tone with empathy, avoiding controversial subjects, etc.”, the software does as it’s told and creates a sea of sameness.
It’s already difficult for brands – corporate and personal – to differentiate themselves. That sea of sameness makes it even more challenging.
Here’s an example. See if you know what companies these are:
“We help make our customers’ complex projects simple, successful, and sustainable.”
“A big key to our long, successful history has been consistent leadership and our independence.”
“Driven by a passion for excellence, weβre dedicated to turning every customer interaction into a positive experience, inspiring loyalty and building lasting relationships.”
By the way, none of these were written by AI. These are all human-led examples of vision and mission statements from companies. Which companies? Honestly, they could be any company on the planet; I pulled these off the websites of the top 3 largest industrial plumbing companies.
As an aside, if you wonder why sometimes AI creates generic text, it’s because it learned from generic human text.
So with these three challenges in mind, let’s take a look at some answers, what I call Most Best.
Part 3: Most Best Data
To the challenge of getting great results out of AI, it’s all about the data you bring to AI.
Whoever has the most, best data will get the most, best results out of AI.
I’ll give you an example. The other day, I was reading some examples of how people are trying to use ChatGPT to perform some on-site website copy SEO tasks. Most of these prompts are woefully underpowered and underdeveloped.
Here’s an example:
As a seasoned copywriter who specializes in website copy, your task is to write a draft for the [type of page] page of the [company]. Your copy should be engaging, concise, and aligned with the brand's voice and style. The page should clearly convey the company's value proposition, and inspire visitors to take the desired action. Make sure to include SEO-friendly keywords, compelling headlines, and persuasive call-to-actions. The content should be tailored to the company's target audience and optimized for conversion. Please ensure the draft is proofread and free of grammatical errors.
This is a lackluster prompt at best, and it’s going to generate sub-par results. Why? Because it’s relying on the very generic idea of SEO – and in the training data of AI models, there’s almost 30 years worth of information about SEO. Are we invoking knowledge from 2024 or 1994?
The most, best data would include taking the entirety of Google’s Search Quality Rating Guidelines – the guidelines human raters use to build training data for Google’s algorithm – along with, perhaps, the transcripts of the Google Webmasters Chats on YouTube and the Search Off The Record podcast (Google’s search podcast), and even the contents of the leaked Google Content Warehouse API from earlier this year. That massive corpus of current, fresh information will deliver far best results in terms of building a prompt than the generic “SEO-friendly” suggestion in the above prompt.
What would such a “most best data” prompt look like, built from all this information? It’s too long for this newsletter, but I put a copy in our free Analytics For Marketers Slack group, so you can pop in there and grab the PDF of the prompt.
Whoever has the most best data will create incredible results with generative AI, because instead of using averages of tons of content – and a great deal of it may be irrelevant, out of date, or low quality – you’re creating prompts and systems using the best data available.
And this is with public data. Imagine what you can accomplish with the data you have inside the walls of your company. You’re sitting on a literal goldmine of it, but like real gold, you have to invest time and effort to mine it.
Whoever has the most, best data will win.
Part 4: Most Best Ideas
To the challenge of AI being a skill leveler, whoever has the most best ideas will get the most impact from AI.
And this is where subject matter expertise and skill matter. First, those with more skill and knowledge know better what’s possible in a domain and what the boundaries are.
Generative AI in particular is highly sensitive to jargon; the more appropriate, relevant jargon in a prompt, the better that prompt tends to perform because it can more quickly narrow down what the precise domain of expertise it needs to invoke.
For example, suppose you’re talking about paying for college. That’s a very generic topic with a wide range of views. Now, in the USA, the US government publishes a form called the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, or the FAFSA. The FAFSA is jargon. It only exists in the domain of financial aid for higher education in the USA, so that limits a model’s knowledge immediately, providing more refined results.
Suppose you’re using a generative model to create images. You could prompt it with something like “a photo of a black and white pit bull sleeping on a brown sofa” and get an okay result. However, if you’re a photographer, you might specify things like depth of field, F stop, focus, what kind of lens, is it a 28mm prime, a 50 millimeter prime? Is it DSLR? Is it a regular SLR? Is it film? What speed? What is it, ISO 400 film? All these things that would go in the prompt will generate a more precise, more refined output.
The more experience you have in the world, in the domain you’re using AI, the more refined ideas you’ll be able to bring to the table. I’m not a musician, so me prompting Suno to make a song of a certain style will be inherently less detailed than a real musician prompting with things like chord progressions or tempo or harmonies, all things that I have no expertise in.
It’s not just who has the most ideas, but who has the most, best ideas that will unlock the value of AI most.
However, all other things being equal, whoever has the most ideas will unlock more value, because you’ll know to ask AI for more things. I’m not a particularly good programmer. I’m okay in R and PHP, not so great at Python. But AI is a skill leveler. I don’t need to be expert at Python syntax, as long as I have lots of ideas to ask AI for help with and have a clear idea of what I want. The other week, I wanted AI to help me build a share of voice measurement system for Halloween candy. I had a clear, elaborate list of requirements for what the software needed to do, and AI did the laborious part of typing out the code.
Without my idea, nothing would have happened. With my idea, an entirely new piece of software was born. Now, that particular use case might not have a market, but I could easily adapt the software to measure other forms of share of voice. If I have the idea, AI can make the idea happen.
Whoever has the most, best ideas will win.
Part 5: Most Best Branding
Way back in 2006, comedian Ze Frank coined the best definition of brand I’ve ever heard: brand is the emotional aftertaste of experiences. I love that definition because it’s compact and yet conveys so much information.
In the sea of sameness that naive AI use is generating, it’s getting harder and harder to stand out. There’s just so much more noise, and largely noise that has no value. I’m looking at you, AI comment bots on LinkedIn.
If we’re already starting from a place of blandness, what with our passion for excellence and our vision of making customers’ lives easier – is there any company that has a vision to make customers’ lives harder and less pleasant? – then that level of generic platitude has no chance of breaking through and capturing attention.
What does? A clear, specific brand that is overwhelming and a strong aftertaste. Your brand – personal or organizational – has to be crystal clear and as ubiquitous as you can possibly be.
The easiest brand to do this with is your personal brand – literally, you. As Oscar Wilde quipped, be yourself – everyone else is already taken. Your name, your identity, your style, your you is unique in this world and relatively easy to build on.
My friend Mitch Joel says this best – it’s not who you know, it’s who knows you. Who knows you? What are you known for? Is that something you want to be known for?
A friend of mine said this to me, about me, the other day: “you’re one of the few folks in this field that can ACTUALLY demo/use/educate on AI in a way that’s practical.” Are there a lot of AI experts? Yes. Is this statement something I want to be known for? Also yes. Is it part of my personal brand? Very much yes, and I want to continue having it be a differentiator. A lot of people can talk about AI theoretically. Not as many people can build something useful right in front of you.
The emotional aftertaste I want to leave you with when you interact with me is a sense of self-confidence blended with wonder, starting with “Wow, that’s possible?” and ending with “Wow, I can do that!”
That’s my brand when I do it well. What’s yours? What sets you apart even in a sea of sameness? What emotional aftertaste do you leave?
Here’s an interesting exercise. Build yourself a character card from your ideal customer profile, but build the character as someone who’s antagonistic, a critic, a curmudgeon. Then have a conversation with that character about your brand until you manage to find something that breaks through their skepticism or cynicism and legitimately impresses them. Do that exercise a few times, then take it to real humans, to real human 1:1 interviews or focus groups to see what aspects of your brand leave a strong, motivational emotional aftertaste.
Let’s go back for a moment and think about emotional aftertastes. What do those plumbing company branding statements leave you with?
“We help make our customers’ complex projects simple, successful, and sustainable.”
“A big key to our long, successful history has been consistent leadership and our independence.”
“Driven by a passion for excellence, weβre dedicated to turning every customer interaction into a positive experience, inspiring loyalty and building lasting relationships.”
No aftertaste at all, really. They leave no flavor behind. They’re as bland as uncooked white rice.
What flavor does this leave behind?
“To help people achieve independence by making it easier to start, run, and grow a business.”
That’s Shopify. And while it’s still a touch generic, the intended emotional aftertaste is clear.
Here’s perhaps a lesser known brand:
“To end plastic waste in beauty.”
That’s Axiology. In just a handful of words, it communicates legions and leaves a strong emotional aftertaste.
AI, improperly used, will make a vast sea of same, a content wasteland of boring and bland content, from even more meaningless mission and vision statements to content that’s a step above digital pig slop at best. Having an absolutely clear brand that’s sharp, precise, and emotionally strong will set you apart.
Whoever has the most, best branding will win.
Part 6: Wrapping Up
The actual keynote has more examples, of course, and a bit more detail especially on some of the technical bits – but by and large, this is a talk that I want to share with you and the world, because it reaffirms that humans and AI are better together.
Whoever has the most, best data will win.
Whoever has the most, best ideas will win.
Whoever has the most, best branding will win.
You’ll see success with AI if you embrace any one of these pillars. You’ll see massive success with AI if you can land all three.
Be your most, best self – and let AI amplify that.
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What’s On My Mind: Content Marketing in the AI Search Era
This week, let’s bundle up a few concerns folks have about generative AI and tackle them all at once.
What kinds of concerns? Things like:
How do I/should I protect my content from being fed to AI models?
How should I think about the data I upload to AI tools?
How can I be recommended by generative AI tools, especially tools like the new ChatGPT Search?
There’s a lot to unpack, so let’s dig in.
Part 1: Setting the Table Around AI Data
We’ll start off first with training data and what happens to your data when AI model makers ingest it. We should differentiate our concerns here into two branches: privacy and intellectual property.
We should also differentiate our concerns by two uses of our data, training and human review.
When we talk about privacy, we’re talking about preventing the leakage of sensitive or protected information to unauthorized third parties.
When we talk about intellectual property, this is an umbrella concern that many folks have which we can sum up by saying they don’t want AI tools to be able to replicate their work, taking away economic opportunities from them.
On the uses of our data, when we talk about training, we’re talking about AI model makers taking the data we put into the models and building new models that incorporate our data. This can be anything from our feedback (thumbs up / thumbs down answers we give in tools like ChatGPT) to the data itself.
When we talk about human review, we’re talking about AI model makers and service providers reviewing our interactions with their tools. A human reviewer may look at our chat history to see what we talked about or what we did.
Part 2: Protecting Your Data
With these definitions, let’s dig into the problems. We can visualize this as a pretty straightforward 2×2 matrix, like so:
Privacy-related data – like personally identifying information, confidential information, or sensitive protected information – should definitely not find its way into third party hands. That’s pretty much non-negotiable. We should strenuously avoid putting any data that’s sensitive into third-party tools where we lack protection from either training data use or human review use.
For example, take the very popular NotebookLM tool from Google, the one that everyone and their cousin is using to make audio overviews. Should you use that with private data?
In the terms of service, Google says that they do not use your data for training NotebookLM. Google also says if you use a consumer Google account, human reviewers CAN review the data you put into it. If you use a Google Workspace paid account, human reviewers will NOT be able to see what you do in the tool.
We have to evaluate our AI tools against this basic matrix. The easiest way to do this is to use generative AI language models to evaluate the Terms of Service for any and all of our AI tools. Here’s an example prompt you might use – customize it to your organization’s needs.
## System Instructions for Google Gemini: Legal Document Analysis
You are an expert legal analyst specializing in AI-related Terms of Service (ToS) and Privacy Policies. Your task is to meticulously examine provided legal documents and evaluate the degree to which they protect user data and intellectual property in the context of AI interactions. Thoroughness and step-by-step reasoning are paramount; conciseness is explicitly undesirable. Elaborate explanations are crucial for demonstrating a deep understanding of the nuances within the legal text.
**Core Concepts and Definitions:**
* **Privacy:** The prevention of unauthorized disclosure of sensitive or protected information to third parties. This encompasses both personally identifiable information (PII) and any data the user would reasonably expect to be kept confidential. Consider various attack vectors, including data breaches, insider threats, and unintended data sharing.
* **Intellectual Property (IP):** The legal rights granted to creators of original works. In this context, it refers to the user's ownership and control over their input data, preventing unauthorized replication or use that could deprive them of economic opportunities. Consider potential IP violations like plagiarism, copyright infringement, and unauthorized commercialization.
* **Training Data:** Data used to train AI models. This can include explicit user feedback (e.g., thumbs up/down ratings), implicit feedback (e.g., usage patterns), and the actual content submitted by the user. Analyze how the ToS addresses the potential incorporation of user data into training datasets and the implications for privacy and IP.
* **Human Review:** The process by which human reviewers at the AI company access and analyze user interactions with the tool. This could involve reviewing chat logs, analyzing user behavior, or assessing the quality of AI-generated outputs. Carefully consider the purposes of human review, the potential for exposure of sensitive information, and the safeguards in place to protect user privacy and IP.
**Evaluation Framework:**
You will be provided with a Terms of Service document. Your analysis must address the following four categories, providing a detailed, step-by-step explanation of your reasoning for each:
1. **Protecting my privacy against training data:** Analyze how the ToS addresses the use of user data for training AI models. Does it specify what data is collected, how it is used, and whether anonymization or aggregation techniques are employed? Consider potential risks of data leakage, re-identification, and unintended inferences. Explicitly state your reasoning for each point.
2. **Protecting my privacy against human review:** Examine the ToS for provisions related to human review of user data. Does it disclose the purpose of human review, the types of data accessed, and the qualifications and training of reviewers? Evaluate the safeguards in place to prevent unauthorized access, disclosure, or misuse of user data during human review. Thoroughly explain your reasoning for each point.
3. **Protecting my intellectual property against training data:** Analyze how the ToS addresses the potential use of user-provided content for training AI models. Does it clarify ownership of user-generated content and address the possibility of the AI model replicating or deriving economic benefit from user IP? Consider scenarios where the user's input might be used to improve the AI's performance in a way that could disadvantage the user. Provide a comprehensive explanation of your reasoning for each point.
4. **Protecting my intellectual property against human review:** Evaluate the ToS for provisions related to human review of user-generated content. Does it address the potential for reviewers to misappropriate or misuse user IP? Does it outline procedures for handling confidential information and preventing unauthorized disclosure? Detail your reasoning for each point.
**Scoring System:**
After your detailed analysis, provide a score from 0 to 10 for each category, where 0 represents no protection and 10 represents the highest level of protection. Clearly justify your score based on the evidence presented in your analysis. The scores should be presented in the following format:
* Protecting my privacy against training data: [score] - [Detailed justification]
* Protecting my privacy against human review: [score] - [Detailed justification]
* Protecting my intellectual property against training data: [score] - [Detailed justification]
* Protecting my intellectual property against human review: [score] - [Detailed justification]
Remember: Thoroughness, detailed explanations, and step-by-step reasoning are crucial. Avoid conciseness. Your goal is to demonstrate a deep understanding of the ToS and its implications for user privacy and IP protection in the context of AI interactions.
When I put Google’s Gemini Advanced (consumer edition) Terms of Service, here’s what it spits back from this prompt:
That’s pretty comprehensive – and those scores are pretty low. Your legal team would be the ones to decide what an acceptable level of risk is, but certainly 4s and 5s are probably not going to cut it. Thus, if you have data that you’re required to protect, the consumer edition of Google Gemini Advanced isn’t the tool to use.
Suppose we paste in OpenAI’s ChatGPT Privacy Policy? This is the master privacy policy I pasted into the prompt:
This is also fairly underwhelming. You can see the usefulness of this exercise and my prompt – every tool that you work with, at some point, should have its privacy policy evaluated so that you know what level of risk you’re taking in using any given tool.
Part 3: So What Data is Safe To Use With AI?
Given that we’ve seen how two different tools don’t have stellar scores in terms of legal protection of our data, it’s natural to wonder what we can safely do in them. There’s no one-size-fits-all answer here – it really depends on your level of risk tolerance.
Certainly, the highest level of protection needs to be afforded to the highest risk data. People’s medical records, confidential information, company secrets, those are data that are high risk, and as a result there are few circumstances where you’d want to use any tool that scores low on the basic rubric we did earlier.
Many of our companies have obligations we have to meet that are more broad than just AI. If our contracts with our customers mandate a certain level of confidentiality, we are required to honor those commitments. If we have to comply with existing standards like FINRA, HIPAA, etc., then we have to apply those standards to our use of AI as well.
Beyond that, it comes down to the type of content and level of risk. For this, we need to understand what happens to information when it is used as training data.
Recall that most foundation large language models today have trillions of tokens in their training data sets. To give you a sense of size, a model trained on 15 trillion tokens like Meta’s Llama 3.1 has been trained on 6-8 petabytes of text. That’s a bookshelf of text-only books that stretches around the equator of the world twice.
When models are trained, our exact data is not copy pasted into the model. What goes in are the statistical relationships of our data. If you had the ability to crack open an AI model, what you’d see inside would be a giant cloud of numbers.
Thus, if you’re concerned about general, non-private data ending up in training databases, that concern is valid but your level of risk is relatively low, at least in the sense of someone being able to fish your specific content out of the model’s long-term memory. Today’s AI models are more factually accurate than before, but still can have quite high levels of hallucination.
The concern about a model gaining capabilities from your data and/or being able to do your tasks based on your data is probably a greater concern. The reality is that as foundation models continue to improve, they become more and more capable, able to do more complex and more sophisticated tasks when prompted well.
Here’s my suggested rule of thumb: if you have information that’s going to be published anywhere that’s publicly accessible, expect it to end up in a training dataset for AI somewhere, with or without our consent as creators. Even if you yourself don’t put it in an AI model, someone else can. When you read this newsletter every week (and thank you for being here), I wholly assume someone’s taking it and copy/pasting it into generative AI. When I deliver a keynote, I wholly expect someone’s going to take my slides or my talk’s video or audio and drop it into generative AI. I have no control over that.
In turn, that means if you’re making stuff that will be seen in public, go ahead and use it with AI tools. It’ll end up in the models anyway, so the additional risk to you is pretty much zero.
Part 4: Your Thoughtful AI Content Plan
If we assume that our content that’s publicly available is going to end up in someone else’s AI, then if we want to avoid having models gain our specific capabilities as creators, we should do our best to withhold our best work to places that AI has difficulty reaching.
Certainly, in marketing content that we use to promote ourselves and our companies, we should absolutely be making sure that content ends up in someone else’s AI. We should be appearing as guests on other people’s podcasts, we should be ensuring our own content is optimized for AI (watch the very end of this week’s newsletter video for a chuckle), we should be in as many places as we possibly can be.
Here’s a simple example. How often do I mention myself or my company, Trust Insights, in my content? On a per-post basis, here’s a look at the last 6 years:
Now, you might think this is absurd vanity, averaging more than 10 mentions of my own name in my content. It’s not. It’s putting in name mentions in my content so that when I write about topics, my name is ingested by AI models along with all those words. I want to build those statistical associations as much as I can.
The same is true for my company:
You can really see the difference beginning in 2022; when I first saw Eleuther.ai’s GPT-J-6B back in 2021, I knew that generative AI was going to be big. So beginning in 2022, I started putting my name and my company’s name into my content much more frequently, which you can see in both charts.
Now, what about content we don’t want models training on?
Andy Crestodina said on one of my LinkedIn posts:
We’re doing marketing here, right? Why block your site from AI …or anything else?
Certainly, if you make your money on intellectual property, having generative AI models that can learn from you and many others like you and then synthesize competing products is less than ideal.
The antidote to this is straightforward: wall off your best content. From password-protected PDFs to registration or even payment required sections of your website, you can protect your best content from being absorbed by AI to a fair degree. But remember that the harder you make it to access your content, the less convenient it tends to be for humans as well, so balance carefully.
And remember that while no format you can perceive as a human is ever fully protected from machines, physical formats are more inconvenient to get into machines. From glossy print magazines to paper books, it’s far more work to get physical data into AI than digital data.
Part 5: Wrapping Up
If you want AI tools like ChatGPT Search to recommend you, they have to know you exist. To do that, they need access to data about you, what you’re about, and what concepts and content are relevant to you. This has always been true, but it’s even more true now.
In the past week, ChatGPT’s Search capability (along with a browser extension) launched, along with Search Grounding in Google Gemini (which allows Gemini to verify its results using search results to reduce hallucination).
What these have in common is that they look like both traditional generative AI AND traditional SEO. Your remit is clear: you have to be everywhere, but you need to make sure you’ve built your kingdom on your own land. I’ve been saying not to build on rented land since the MySpace era; that’s more true than ever. Build your content kingdom on your own land, make sure there’s plenty of it, and make sure it’s open for AI and traditional search bots to consume. Load it up with the relevant concepts you want AI to know about you.
And if you’re in the information business, put your best stuff behind a wall, but put lots of stuff in front of the wall as well.
This week’s announcements don’t change as much as they reinforce the same strategy we all should have been doing all along: be everywhere, be prolific, and build your best stuff on your home base.
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