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  • Fireside Chat: Geraldine Deruiter on Food, Feminism, and Fury

    Fireside Chat: Geraldine Deruiter on Food, Feminism, and Fury

    In today’s episode, join me for a fascinating conversation with Geraldine Deruiter, James Beard award-winning author. You’ll discover her journey from a blogger to an acclaimed author, diving into her new book that intricately weaves food, feminism, and fury. You’ll benefit from Geraldine’s unique perspectives on the culinary industry, gender roles, and her viral culinary critiques. Tune in to gain valuable insights and learn how these themes intertwine to shape our society and culture.

    Geraldine’s book can be found on Amazon and wherever books are sold.

    Fireside Chat: Geraldine Deruiter on Food, Feminism, and Fury
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    Christopher Penn 0:00

    In today’s episode, but something different for a change, talking to Geraldine Detroiter, author, a James Beard award winning author, whose new book, if you can’t take the heat that comes out in March, this is the book which you can find just by Googling it.

    Geralyn.

    First of all, welcome.

    Tell, tell me more about who you are.

    Besides what’s in the official bio.

    Geraldine Deruiter 0:25
    I am someone who probably like a lot of people has made their career on the internet.

    But I started like a million years ago.

    So I am a writer who started blog who started their career blogging, really.

    And so what happened is way back in 2008, I used to work for a toy and game company called cranium.

    Have you ever heard of it? Have you ever played it? Okay.

    Yeah, a lot of people have, I got laid off.

    And I started kind of floating aimlessly for a while.

    And that led to the start of my blog, which is called everywhere trust.

    So it’s everywhere, stock calm.

    And so I was travel blogging for years trying to figure out what I was going to do next.

    And very slowly, that morphed into my first book, which I don’t I still don’t know how this happened.

    People asked me I’m like, I don’t know, I was just writing for years.

    And after a while, I realized that this funky side project that I was working on became my career.

    Right before COVID, I started writing more and more about food.

    So I thankfully and accidentally pivoted.

    And so what I realized was the posts that were getting the most engagement, and the posts that were doing the best and the posts that I was kind of the best at writing.

    Were all food related.

    And at that point, I thought, well, maybe there’s something here.

    So after a couple weird instances where I went crazy viral, made like international headlines found my face on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert, like just crazy things like that.

    I ended up pitching my second book, which is about food and feminism.

    Christopher Penn 2:10

    Gotcha.

    And I assume this is one of those.

    That

    Geraldine Deruiter 2:16
    is what that is kind of the start of all of it.

    Yes.

    So the pizza roll or the pizza, cinnamon pizza DOS, cinnamon rolls for Mario Batali.

    So that blog post went up? Oh, my gosh, six years ago, a time is a thief.

    So I wrote this blog post.

    And what happened was, I feel like people probably know the story about Mario Batali.

    There were some allegations that came out about sexual harassment.

    Turns out they were way worse than that there were actually a couple of lawsuits, a lot was happening.

    So at the time, all we knew were about the allegations.

    And he sends this newsletter out to his fans.

    And there’s like this very structured PR apology that clearly his legal team has gone through that says nothing.

    And at the end of it, he includes a recipe for cinnamon rolls.

    And he says they’re a fan favorite, you know, make up for the holidays, because it came out in December, and everyone was like, what, what are you? Like, what are you doing? It’s like you brought baked goods to your own trial.

    Like this is just such a bad idea.

    And the one thing I noticed no one had done and the thing that immediately came to mind for me, was to make the recipe.

    And part of the reason why was because I had made his pizza dough before.

    And I knew that there was no way that this would make a good cinnamon roll like this is not the dough is totally different.

    There’s no way this was going to work.

    And if we want to get into nerdy food science, you know, pizza, pizza dough is very bread like and cinnamon rolls are usually if they’re good, in my opinion, have like more of a brioche texture.

    So the the two are not you can’t substitute one for the other.

    So I made the cinnamon rolls and this was kind of at the apex of the me to movement.

    And I wove kind of two narratives together kind of about my my rage about everything that was happening and all of these emerging stories that were coming out.

    And this recipe that was just utter crap.

    So it goes crazy viral.

    Martha Stewart is retweeting it.

    Dan Savage is retweeting it.

    Pete wells, who’s the restaurant reviewer of The New York Times, is sharing it.

    By the way this is back when Twitter is not a cesspool that is slowly dying.

    And so it’s everywhere.

    My blog crashes from traffic.

    I get like millions, millions of visitors over a few days.

    I’m getting you know, I’m doing interviews with like the local news.

    It’s bonkers.

    My website gets hacked and then a year Later, I went to James Beard Award for it.

    What? Like white? So yeah, that I don’t I don’t know, it was really it’s still bizarre to me, I say it out loud.

    I’m like, I have a job like my husband, I will go to James Beard award winning restaurants and we’re like, they give those to anybody.

    So that’s kind of that how that all started.

    Christopher Penn 5:24

    Gotcha.

    So the new book is is called Tales of food feminism and fury.

    Yes.

    How do you this is probably a very philosophical start.

    Define feminism? Oh,

    Geraldine Deruiter 5:38
    gosh, I mean, I define feminism, as, you know, first of all, the radical belief that women are people, and that they deserve equality, and have not always received it.

    And, you know, of course, I believe that feminism should be intersectional.

    And so if you add on layers to that, you know, if you are a woman of color, you have also dealt with racism, on top of sexism.

    And so your experiences is different, and you’ve dealt with a lot more or if you are a woman who is dealing with disability and, and a world that does not accommodate that, then there are more layers to it.

    If you are a woman who is trans, you are dealing with transphobia in the world, so there’s so many layers to it.

    Christopher Penn 6:33

    Gotcha.

    Okay.

    And so what was the impetus to turn this into a book, what, why a book about this particular topic?

    Geraldine Deruiter 6:45
    I felt like these stories kept presenting themselves.

    And it was very organic.

    I, you know, it had been years since I had written a book, my first book came out in 20.

    I think it came out in 2017.

    You know, and this book is coming out seven years later.

    And to be honest, I, I didn’t know what my second book was going to be.

    And I didn’t really have plans to write a second one.

    But after the second article I wrote went viral.

    And it was about food.

    And it was, it’s, it was hitting all the same notes.

    I thought, Okay, this, this is too powerful and intersection of topics to avoid, really.

    And so I think that there is something here.

    And I talked to my agent about it.

    And I was like, I don’t know if I’m the right person to write this.

    And I remember she said to me, no, I think you’re exactly the right person who should write this.

    And I thought, okay, but I’m doing it my way, which is probably not how other people are going to do it.

    So I’m going to talk about my love of Red Lobster.

    And I’m going to use a lot of, I’m gonna use a lot of swears.

    And it’s, it’s going to be completely all over the place.

    And she was like, that’s okay.

    Okay.

    Christopher Penn 8:09

    When you look at the food landscape now, particularly when we have, for example, do YouTubers who have millions of millions of people in their audience? Thanks.

    Do you feel like the food industry has gotten better or worse? Or is it specific to feminism

    Geraldine Deruiter 8:30
    in like, since when?

    Christopher Penn 8:34

    Since the cinnamon roll incident?

    Geraldine Deruiter 8:37
    Since the cinnamon roll incident? Oh, maybe tough to say.

    I want to say it’s getting better.

    There’s a very hopeful part of me that wants to say it’s getting better.

    I am not.

    I am not a consumer, an avid consumer of YouTube.

    I believe I follow two channels.

    And one is Taylor Lorenz is channel and the other is the rocks channel.

    But I don’t know how that came about.

    So I can’t speak to the YouTube landscape.

    I will say that I in my feeds, I do feel like I am seeing voices and you know, women and people who have not historically been heard before.

    So that’s cool.

    Christopher Penn 9:42

    And in terms of the culinary industry itself, particularly the big names How do you see that having evolved since then, when you look at in the in the post Mario Batali world and who has who even gets the spotlight these days? It’s

    Geraldine Deruiter 9:57
    starting it’s slowly starting to shift I mean, historically, let’s be let’s be clear.

    It was it’s always been men, right? You think of you think of celebrity chefs and who comes to mind for you? Because I think of a celebrity chef.

    Christopher Penn 10:11

    The first oldest one is really a child.

    Yeah.

    Okay.

    Geraldine Deruiter 10:16
    Is that comes to mind first.

    Christopher Penn 10:18

    So the current generation for me, is, there’s Rachael Ray, there’s Gordon Ramsay.

    There is who’s that crazy one? Oh, there’s Alton Brown, who is not necessarily a chef, per se,

    Geraldine Deruiter 10:34
    but he’s a culinary person.

    He’s

    Christopher Penn 10:36

    a personality.

    There is Bobby Flay.

    There’s cat Cora, who is obviously an opponent on Iron Chef.

    So there’s, there’s a lot of my culinary knowledge is based a lot of basically on online content, like YouTube and various shows.

    Geraldine Deruiter 10:54
    Well, and also like, early 2000s, Food Network.

    Yeah.

    Which was, you know, quite predominantly male dominated.

    And like, if you ask, that’s where a lot of my references come from, too.

    So if you ask me, like, I don’t like him, I think he’s very abusive.

    But Gordon Ramsay is the first one.

    I don’t know why he’s just so culturally saturated everywhere like he is who comes to mind when I think of celebrity chefs, or celebrities in the culinary industry.

    Interestingly, like Martha Stewart is a huge name, right? But we she’s not.

    She’s almost like this more broad the lifestyle brand.

    So we don’t exclusively associate her with the culinary world.

    Anthony Bourdain, you know, comes to mind too.

    But again, he was he was almost like, beyond just food.

    So it’s interesting, because I think historically, you know, the thing that I write about in my book is that men were allowed to be great chefs.

    And women were allowed to be great cooks.

    And that division is something that has been reflected in both were the division of labor of who gets to cook in the home, or who is assigned cooking responsibility in the home.

    You know, the vast majority of home cooking falls to women, and that’s in couples who are in heterosexual couples who are married, who are not married, who have kids who don’t, it’s almost 70 to 80% of the cooking false to women, and 70, almost 70% of the grocery shopping falls to women.

    So the vast majority of cooking within the home is happening with women.

    And that’s regardless of whether or not they are working outside of the home.

    So you might think, well, maybe, you know, maybe they’re stay at home moms know, you have a job outside the home, you are still doing the majority of the cooking.

    So that was one thing that struck me it was like, All right, we’re if you’re a woman you’re expected to cook in the home.

    But then you look at who is allowed to be a successful celebrity chef.

    And the vast majority Hold on, I actually wrote it down because it was in the book.

    But there was no way I was going to remember the stat since the Michelin star system started in 1941.

    You know, more than 100 Male chefs have been awarded the three star rating and less than six female chefs have been.

    So if you look at where you know, who gets to be awarded, and who gets to be lauded, it’s all men.

    You know, Time Magazine did a piece called the The think gods of cooking a while back.

    And the cover was just three male chefs.

    I don’t think there were any male female.

    There were any women chefs on it at all.

    There were like a few noted women who were in the culinary industry, but not predominantly chefs.

    So yeah, we’re seeing if you’re if you’re a man, you can be praised for cooking outside of the home.

    But if you’re a woman, it doesn’t happen the same way.

    Christopher Penn 14:08

    Why is there such a division of labor that’s so imbalanced? If you have the cultural role models for cooking are men.

    Why isn’t that reflect then in the home and who does the cooking? I

    Geraldine Deruiter 14:22
    mean, I think that this is that the answer to that is cultural and sociological and economical.

    It is so layered.

    But I think that in order part of part of it is I think in order for our society to work.

    Someone needs to do a lot of cooking at home.

    That needs to happen, right? And historically, because that’s fallen to women, that has been deep valued.

    And it’s fallen to women.

    Because, you know, we, we literally were not allowed to work outside of the home, we couldn’t have our own income, we couldn’t have our own bank accounts.

    So you have this responsibility within the home, that fell to women.

    And if you think about it, there was no way there was no other way for that to work, you couldn’t, you couldn’t eat out every day, people couldn’t afford to hire an in home chef, you had to have someone making food, and doing all of that labor.

    And it just got completely ignored, it is completely invisible labor that is happening.

    I think, once it started happening outside of the home, you know, the original, like, some of the first restaurants were rigidly structured, like, based on military structure.

    And it was a very masculine environment.

    And so it was seen as such, and because of that, it was not a woman’s place, once the work started to be appreciated and lauded and you got money for it, it became the domain of men.

    So that is, you know, part of it.

    And I’m not including any nuance there.

    Like, that’s the broad overarching way in which I think it happened.

    There’s more to it, because there have been women cooking outside of the home and struggling and trying to make a name for themselves.

    And there are, you know, the Julia Child’s out there who we’re kind of changing the landscape.

    But broadly, this is what I think, is the logic behind all of it.

    Christopher Penn 16:58

    Do you see that changing generationally? So how?

    Geraldine Deruiter 17:02
    Absolutely.

    Well, I mean, first of all, I think, you know, we’re, especially these newer generations are kind of abandoning these old ideas of of men do this and women do that, like God bless Harry Styles for for, you know, his, his idea that there there is no men’s and women’s clothing, right, bless him, bless the young kids for this, my niece uses bro as a gender neutral term.

    So I do think that they are understanding that and I think that, you know, the world has changed, it’s okay for, for men to cook like we no longer you know, used to be seen as this emasculating thing and, and that’s part of it too, right? You have to remember the patriarchy hurts everyone, like, men are treated like crap for loving to bake or loving to cook or, you know, being nurturing in the home.

    And that’s, like, historically, that’s terrible.

    That’s been terrible.

    That’s been a disservice to families, it’s been a disservice to women, it’s been a disservice to men.

    So that’s all starting to change.

    And I think, you know, obviously, women are getting more recognition outside of the home to so when they cook, and so we’re seeing women chefs being celebrated, and we’re seeing non binary chefs being celebrated.

    We’re seeing less of this rigid structure around gender in general.

    So yeah, I definitely do see things changing.

    But anytime stuff starts to change.

    You see a backlash, that that, you know, that’s how society moves forward.

    I hope.

    I hope that’s what’s happening.

    Talk about

    Christopher Penn 18:43

    that.

    What backlash Have you seen so far? And which direction is it headed?

    Geraldine Deruiter 18:48
    Oh, God.

    I mean, I don’t I I’m speaking about this broadly and beyond just the culinary world.

    But, you know, I think we see like the entire state of Florida would be my current example.

    I think that we you know, there’s there’s all this beautiful literature out there for kids about how it’s okay to be trans it’s okay to be queer.

    It’s okay if your family looks different than other families, and people are the are banning these but like, anytime that books are getting banned, I think you need to be like, okay, hold on.

    Hold on, like maybe we maybe we need to take a minute a beat and and just stop everybody stop.

    So I think that, you know, I think that that’s what we’re seeing.

    I think that so many people are just so afraid and so hateful and they could not handle that the world was changing.

    ng ng, and in my opinion becoming this like wonderful, more inclusive place.

    And so they are holding on so desperately to what they thought it was.

    And, and violently trying to shut out everything else.

    And that sucks.

    And I honestly hope that that is not how things keep going.

    And one of

    Christopher Penn 20:24

    the things that has become apparent is there’s a lot of people again, particularly on on social media, in both in the food realm and generally, who we’re operating with.

    Not generally accepted procedures.

    For example, there’s a channel called Cooking with Jack in which the person cooks cook some chicken in a in one of those food service bags, and cooks.

    What

    Geraldine Deruiter 20:54
    do you what do you mean foods serve like a Sufi back or though it’s

    Christopher Penn 20:58

    like an oven bag like you’ve seen? Yeah.

    Okay, so he cooks a whole chicken at 375.

    Okay, 40 minutes from a cold oven.

    It’s called stir oven and pulls it to 40 minutes and serves it, it is still red on the inside.

    And he’s like, this is what you want your chicken to be.

    It’s toe tender and moist.

    That’s, that’s wrong.

    And yet the video has gotten millions of

    Geraldine Deruiter 21:23
    views.

    Because everyone’s horrified right?

    Christopher Penn 21:27

    Would you read some of the comments be like, I’m gonna try that.

    That looks great.

    That looks great to the hospital.

    But there’s a lot of really bad out there.

    That is incredibly popular.

    And I want to hear your thoughts as someone who’s in the world about how built the industry as a whole is reacting to people.

    These are regular people with enormous followings making stuff that is legitimately dangerous that

    Geraldine Deruiter 22:02
    I mean, so we’re, there’s two, there’s two paths here.

    I think there’s two different things.

    There is there is trash food, right? There’s the trashy food, which to me like is the the Taco Bell taco with the Doritos shell.

    Right? Or I believe that there was maybe a Domino’s Pizza with hot dogs in the crust or something like that.

    Maybe I imagined that that might be a fever dream.

    I’m gonna go invent that and get a billion followers on YouTube.

    There’s that there’s trash food.

    And that I always feel like is a little bit like, it’s caught.

    You’re in college, or you’re in your early 20s.

    And you’re drunk.

    And you know, what seems like a great idea to eat.

    And that’s okay, right? That’s fine.

    That’s fun.

    And I think we all love to look at that.

    And everybody’s like, that looks gross, but I kind of want to try it.

    And that that’s fleek.

    I don’t know, that’s the equivalent of going to see a bad action film.

    Everybody likes that in small doses.

    I think that’s okay.

    You know, everything.

    Like the Epicureans literally had the philosophy of everything in moderation, including moderation.

    But then you have people who are endangering, they’re literally endangering other

    peoples and their own.

    And they are a public menace.

    What’s what you yet do you have a solution? You must have a solution.

    Christopher Penn 23:36

    I mean, in some ways, sort of a self solving problem? No.

    Geraldine Deruiter 23:42
    I’m just gonna take themselves out.

    Christopher Penn 23:43

    I am an ardent fan of science and data.

    And this is this is generally how I view life.

    You know, I don’t have much of a political orientation because I tend to go with whoever has correct data on the thing is generally the way I tend to lean I would

    Geraldine Deruiter 24:00
    say that is a political orientation these days, but everything else

    Christopher Penn 24:05

    and that’s a whole talk about that.

    Yeah.

    But particularly when it comes to things like food science and medicine in general, there’s a lot of people who ardently reject science in general food science and specific.

    Yeah, and with the general public, it’s not clear to a lot of people what is and is not good food science.

    Like for example, if you read about people talking all these different supplements, to the uneducated consumer, it sounds plausible.

    Like when you watch one of these food, these these food, celebrities, the food sort of, I get called grassroots celebrities and as opposed to the, the media personalities, what they’re doing sounds plausible, even if it is completely and totally wrong and deeply on Safe.

    Geraldine Deruiter 25:01
    Right? Yeah, no.

    And I, I do think we are going to get into the this is this is a very broad reaching societal problem, right, we could start digging into it I, and I see this a lot.

    And this is like, this is a running gag with my friends and I because ignoring my office, I am a neat freak.

    And I, you know, I clean with real cleaners, you know, I use disinfectants and clean properly.

    But then I like to spray essential oils, because I like how they smell.

    But people will see essential oils in your home.

    And then they’re like, do you think this is medicine? And I’m like, No, I do not think I think medicine is medicine.

    I think lavender smells nice.

    And I want it to be in my home.

    So I think fundamentally, what it comes down to is a breakdown of education.

    Right? We don’t educate people, we don’t educate people properly in food science.

    And if you look at people’s intent, their intent is to inform themselves, they’re watching these videos, they’re doing something that they think is correct.

    They’re like, well, that, you know, I always had dried chicken this chicken is, is like tender and moist.

    That’s a great idea.

    And nobody’s telling them actually, like, you need to cook it to this temperature to kill the bacteria.

    Because there is you know, and that’s not the case with beef.

    That is the case with pork, these are the meats that you can eat rare, these are the ones you can’t, you know, sushi grade fish, you can eat raw, non sushi grade fish, which most fish is you can’t you have to cook and and explaining that people just they’re not informed of these things.

    And so that is you know, that that’s something that we have not taught people and I don’t know, that’s not part of that’s not part of standard education.

    I think beyond that we don’t really teach critical thinking.

    And and I think a lot of times, you know, there’s there is a a cost, there is kind of a punitive cost to pushing back.

    And it could be societally it could be anything, but if you’re the one person at the party who’s like, you know, bro, your, your chickens raw, and everyone else is eating.

    Like you’re such a killjoy, like you’re such You’re no fun.

    We’ll put it back because somebody wants their chicken well done.

    Like what, like, so there is there’s so many layers to this, and it spreads, right? It’s everywhere.

    Also, I do think that there is a discussion here to be had about how if we had socialized medicine that would stop people from trying to, to cure a lot of their illnesses with pseudoscience.

    And a lot of that goes to, to, you know, eating, like or doing weird things with food that are fundamentally unhealthy.

    So Gwyneth Paltrow, I’m looking at you because I know you have good health care, and your whole bone broth three times a day, instead of eating to try and help with your Long COVID is not okay, because other people are doing that.

    Now, girl, no.

    still mad about that.

    We can talk about that.

    Christopher Penn 28:45

    I was gonna say Long.

    COVID is a vascular issue with cytokine inflammation.

    How does bone broth supposed to help that? So

    Geraldine Deruiter 28:52
    Supposedly, the diet she was on was supposed to be an anti inflammatory diet.

    And so that would help with the inflammation of it’s not real.

    Christopher Penn 29:09

    Excited teams that are involved in this.

    Geraldine Deruiter 29:13
    What she’s doing does not effectively help.

    Right.

    So if you’re asked this, you’re asking me to explain the science of it.

    I’m like, Well, I think she thought this, like I think she thought that reducing inflammation, like doing a low inflammation diet, like low inflammation diet, which I think is like, you know, no carbs, no dairy only bone broth.

    would help.

    But I

    Christopher Penn 29:39

    feel like that’s that falls in the category of please see your doctor.

    Okay.

    So, in the book, talk about some of the other interesting theory inducing things that that made it into the book that are worth sharing.

    So

    Geraldine Deruiter 29:56
    one thing that has happened several times now it has had happened in the US.

    That has happened a few times while we were traveling in Europe is I’ve gone to a couple restaurants, fan, you know fancier places like Michelin starred places.

    And I’m not that, you know, clearly I’m not that person I’m, I’m, you know, I will eat anywhere I will eat at any location, I do not need fine dining, because a lot of times I find fine dining is fine.

    But we’ve gone to these restaurants, and I will be handed a menu that has no prices on it.

    And it is like being untethered from reality.

    And I grew up in such a way.

    And I suspect you did, too.

    Can you order food without knowing how much things cost? I mean,

    Christopher Penn 30:48

    depends on the restaurant.

    If it’s a prefix, then you know what you’re getting, right? Because many of this absent that data is like, so did you make a misprint? Right? What happened here? So

    Geraldine Deruiter 31:01
    I just like to know, it helps inform my decision.

    And if I’m going to speak bluntly, odds are I’m never going to eat at a restaurant where I literally could not afford the food, that’s not going to happen, I’m not going I will not find that restaurant, I would not enter that place.

    But it is, these are relics of another time.

    These are women’s menus.

    And they are designed without prices.

    And the men are given menus with prices.

    And so the understanding is because the lady, the lady air quotes, is not paying, she should not know how much anything costs.

    And so we went to one of these restaurants.

    And I was like, I would like some water.

    And they were like, okay, and they brought me a water menu.

    Like I just want, I would just want tap water.

    And they were basically like, we don’t have that.

    Here’s the water menu.

    And that is how we ended up spending.

    I want to say $53 on water.

    And I am still angry about that.

    Because I had no prices, I didn’t know what I was doing.

    So so that that that still disgusts me.

    That angers me to no end, like give everyone menus with prices.

    That

    Christopher Penn 32:23

    is bizarre because you can’t if you don’t have that data, then you can’t know like the quality something ordering like a 5 bottle of wine versus like a50 bottle of wine.

    Well,

    Geraldine Deruiter 32:33
    and the assumption is that if you are a solo diner, if you’re a solo female or female presenting diner, you receive a menu with prices.

    Christopher Penn 32:45

    Yeah, okay, that does seem a bit on the very outdated side of things.

    Geraldine Deruiter 32:50
    Oh, it very much is this is literally a relic from a time when women were not allowed to go out on a scored ID.

    So the assumption was, you would never be you would never be dining alone.

    And you would never carry your own money because you would what know that that’s something unclean and unseemly.

    And so whatever gentleman, you know, asked you out on a date or which would be rare.

    Normally the your husband would be the one paying for the meal.

    Christopher Penn 33:27

    All right, in some ways, you can see how you can see how it got that way because even in the US until 1974 Women can get a credit card without couldn’t have a

    Geraldine Deruiter 33:38
    credit card, which is I mean, that’s, that’s to me, that is just bonkers.

    I don’t know I’m I’m 43 So I was born in 1980.

    And I’m like 73 that.

    That’s nothing seven years.

    That’s nothing.

    So yeah.

    Christopher Penn 33:57

    Interesting.

    What else what other interesting tales

    Geraldine Deruiter 34:00
    of rage well, so there’s a few stories behind the stories.

    So one of the other stories that kind of went bonkers viral as I like to call it was a review that I did about a restaurant in Italy called Bros and I wrote this the I should have known right? We should have known it’s called bros a gig.

    All right.

    So the restaurant is called Bros and we go and it is and I wrote about it and this is the one that like Stephen Colbert did a little segment on which was going to say right now career highlights so cool.

    He did not say my name properly you did so you know Goldstar for you.

    It’s okay honestly, Stephen Colbert could say my last name improperly.

    I’m still site you know, fine.

    I would say millions of visitors the blog broke.

    I think I got 5 million visitors to the blog in a week.

    You know? It was on the homepage of the New York Times it was on Italian press.

    It was everywhere the coverage of the New York by the New York Times and the coverage.

    Yeah, primarily was so awful.

    They basically made me out to be this, like villainous blogger who wrote this, like, terrible review, like I was this, you know, prominent, scathing, powerful writer, which I’m not, like I said, no little swivel chair and have a blog.

    I shouldn’t do that my camera just lost focus.

    So and they made the chef out to be like, you know, I’m just this person from humble beginnings.

    And I’m like, No, you’re not like, so.

    Then he was he, they had quotes from him about like, how, essentially, like, I deserve to be punched, like the New York Times is posting that I deserve physical abuse, for what had happened.

    And then posting his comments about how like, I’m too old to appreciate the food.

    And what it became was every insult that I had ever received, as a woman writer, this chef was hurling back at me.

    And this story, in the New York Times, like the front section of the New York Times, was relaying all of that.

    And that was such a, like, awful experience.

    I was like, Holy crap, you are painting me as the villain.

    Because I wrote a story about having a bad time of legitimately bad time at this restaurant.

    It went on the chef spliced video of me from interviews that I had done and spliced it with, like sexually explicit content, and put it on his Instagram feed.

    Like he did a bunch of creepy stuff.

    And so and then, you know, there were allegations that he was abusive to his staff that The New York Times did not follow up on that the story just did not completely dismissed.

    And so I was left.

    So I was so angry, I was so angry by that entire experience, because I really, I was like, you know, you can have what you think is a relatively large amount of power.

    Like, I’m a, like, let’s, let’s be clear.

    I’m a James Beard award winning writer.

    I’m a published author.

    I have a blog that’s been read by millions of people.

    And I am getting trashed about an experience that was very real.

    And this guy is, you know, this, this chef is dragging me through the mud.

    And the New York Times is just printing it.

    And I was like, Oh, my God.

    Yeah.

    So I’m Steffel.

    So I get into that entire backstory in the book.

    Christopher Penn 38:29

    Okay, I’ll have to read the book to see how it all turned out.

    Yeah,

    Geraldine Deruiter 38:32
    I can send you a copy.

    Have I not sent you have I not sent you a copy? No.

    Oh, God, I’m a goblin.

    I’m the worst.

    I’m writing that down right now to send you a copy.

    All right.

    Christopher Penn 38:46

    In the last few minutes, talk about how you’re marketing the book, like what you were doing as a successful author as a successful writer, what you were doing to to do so in a media landscape that is more crowded than it’s ever been, thanks to generative AI.

    So how are you? How is Geraldine? Going to make this book a success? Well,

    Geraldine Deruiter 39:09
    so it’s funny, I was actually I was talking to my husband about this yesterday.

    And I don’t know if he clearly knows who you are.

    I don’t know if your worlds interact.

    I think they do overlap.

    So my husband’s name is Rand Fishkin.

    He previously ran a company called Moz.

    He now runs a company called spark Toro.

    And he is as a friend of mine put it, he’s he’s big old marketing nerd.

    And, you know, he was he and I were talking yesterday, and he’s like, look, I can tell you what I know about Gretchen Rubin.

    And it is that she, like, forced her book like The Happiness Project was was was not destined to be a best seller but she forced that book into everyone’s hands.

    She was like abs like read this book.

    Read it.

    I do not know if I have that verb.

    I do not know if I do but I I am proud of this project in an intense way.

    And I would be angry if the stories that inspired this project got more intention than then the truth behind it.

    You know, and this book goes into all the harassment that I dealt with, after the blog posts went up all of the, you know, all of the truth behind like the New York Times coverage, everything that happened, and I want that out.

    So what I’ve been doing is, I’m making a list of everyone I know, right? Who do I know in the food world? Who can I reach out to? And just talking to them and being like, Hey, wait, I’d like to send you a copy of this book.

    I’d like to talk to you about this book.

    Do you? Do you want to pitch an article about it? Do you want to pitch a story? Do you want to do a q&a or an interview with me? Do you know anyone else? Who would? Do you have a newsletter? You’d want to include this on? Can we have a chat? Like, do you know anyone else who would be interested, I’m reaching out to everyone who ever did coverage on any of the previous stories? So I talked to people from today, the.com, who did a big coverage of the Brose piece, and I was like, Hey, can we talk? I’ve reached out to people who did coverage of the Batali piece.

    And I was like, hi, I wrote a book about all of the harassment I received in the wake of that I would love for you to read it, I would love to talk to you about it.

    So I just went through basically, you know, my, I still call it the Rolodex because I’m old.

    And I went through my rolodex.

    And I was like, Who can I talk to? And then I just I also just, you know, send out the the megaphone call, which you answered, which warmed my heart over social media.

    And I’m like, Hey, I have a book.

    And I think it’s cool.

    And I think I’m an interesting conversationalist, and I make some fun jokes.

    I would love to talk to you about this book, call me like, we’ll have a chat, I’ll send you a free copy of the book.

    And, you know, we’ll get the word out, because I think that food informs who we are.

    And I think that it’s an important topic for women and men and everyone.

    And you know, the way in which we’ve been taught to think about it is kind of messed up diet, culture is messed up.

    food culture is kind of broken, who should be who’s in charge of cooking, who’s allowed to be famous, it’s all kind of messed up.

    And I talk about it in a funny way.

    And I really want this to do well.

    So that’s been, I’ve just been every outlet.

    Everything, I’m pounding the pavement, I’m driving my publisher insane.

    That’s been my approach.

    I don’t know.

    I don’t know.

    I don’t know if it’s gonna work.

    But you know what it can’t it can’t hurt that

    Christopher Penn 42:59

    is truly given that your average book sells something like 10 copies.

    Geraldine Deruiter 43:03
    I’ve heard this before.

    Yeah, a lot of books

    Christopher Penn 43:07

    that don’t do well, for every one that you hear.

    There’s hundreds, if not 1000s, that that do not.

    And it’s it’s a very challenged environment right now to the point where distribution itself is imperiled.

    If you would like an example, there are a number of articles talking about how Amazon has been deluded with AI generated books, where they, they you know, there’s millions of these things now.

    Yeah,

    Geraldine Deruiter 43:32
    there’s a couple written by my husband not written by my husband, but there’s a couple of AI books claiming to be written by my husband.

    Yeah, it’s funny too, because I considered, I don’t consider my first book of failure.

    I loved my first book.

    I thought it was funny and sweet.

    You should read it.

    But all over the place, which was my first book, I think, sold maybe 18,000 copies.

    And I’m like, it didn’t do that.

    Well, like that’s how I like when I hear 10 copies.

    I’m like, okay.

    Okay.

    You’re doing okay.

    You’re doing all right.

    But it’s hard.

    It is hard out there.

    Everyone I know.

    Is, is having a hard time.

    In, in journalism, in writing in publishing.

    In film.

    In in TV.

    I.

    I don’t know.

    I don’t know.

    It’s it’s hard.

    What? Why don’t we why don’t I want to hear from you.

    What do you think people should be doing for marketing a book? Across the board? Yeah.

    Primarily marketing a book.

    So let me take some notes.

    But I’m just asking in general, everything

    Christopher Penn 44:40

    comes down to two things brand and collaboration.

    So you’ve got to have a brand that people know because brand is the brand is the sole surviving marketing channel that is reliable in an era when you can talk to the AI of your choice and get information on anything someone asked.

    thing for you by name is going to find you.

    Someone asking for any interesting book on food and feminism at AI is not going to recommend you, right? Because there’s a gazillion choices.

    So you have to be known by name.

    You have to have a community and the audience for that.

    And then the second aspect is collaboration because everyone has these little pools of audience and it’s just hopping from pool to pools as much as you can can I get this person’s I just can’t get to this person’s audience can I? And and can I bring them together? When you look at collaborations on YouTube, for example, various YouTubers, you’ll see the collaborations are always with people who are roughly the same size number of subscribers things so like Google will appear on Joshua Weisman’s channel, for example, Morgan aircraft will appear on James Hoffman’s channel, for example, they all have about the same number of subscribers.

    So there’s that trade back and forth.

    So

    Geraldine Deruiter 45:53
    what I’m hearing is I should change my name to Gwyneth Paltrow.

    That’s, that’s my takeaway here.

    And drink a lot of bone broth.

    That’s, that’s my takeaway.

    Today.

    That’s it, I have you.

    I’m quoting you specifically as having said that, so that’s, that’s cool.

    And everyone actually everyone should do that.

    That is, that is the lesson of entire talk is drink bone broth.

    And take and steal someone else’s brand.

    I, I have been.

    This is I’m Christopher Penn.

    And I hope you’ve enjoyed my show.

    So

    Christopher Penn 46:42

    yes, on that note, can people find people

    Geraldine Deruiter 46:46
    can find this book wherever all find books, and also my book is sold.

    So you can find it if you go to penguin random.com and you do a search for if you can take the heat, you can go to my website, which is everywhere, stock calm, and there’s branding for it there.

    If you go to your local bookstore and ask them to order it, they can preorder it, it’s on Amazon.

    It’s on Barnes and Noble.

    It’s honestly, it’s honestly everywhere right now.

    You can find it you can find it on Indiegogo, if you if you prefer to go the indie route, you can order it from any sort of indie bookseller.

    And there is the audio book as well.

    If you’re not sick of listening to my voice, it’s narrated by yours truly.

    So that is where you can find it.

    But if all of that is too confusing, just go to everywhere trust which is everywhere is t.com.

    Christopher Penn 47:39

    All right, thanks for being on the show today.

    Geraldine Deruiter 47:41
    You kidding.

    Thanks for having me.

    This was great.

    Christopher Penn 47:45

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    Today, a slight departure from our usual tactical fare to something a little big picture. Before we begin, I want to emphasize and disclaim that I am not a lawyer. I have zero legal training and no legal expertise beyond the ability to use a search engine intelligently. I cannot give legal advice, and you should hire a qualified attorney in your jurisdiction for legal advice specific to your situation.

    Okay, with that out of the way, let’s talk about copyright, generative AI, and making sure artificial intelligence work product is never, ever eligible for copyright. We should unequivocally ensure machine-made content can never be protected under intellectual property laws, or else we’re going to destroy the entire creative economy.

    That’s a big claim, isn’t it? Let’s unpack why.

    Today, in most places in the world, the existing law is such that machine created works cannot hold copyright. If you create a blog post in ChatGPT, the work is automatically in the public domain since copyright applies only to works created by humans. Famous court cases like Naruto vs. Slater in the USA have established precedent that works created by non-humans cannot be copyrighted.

    There are those folks who do advocate that machine-made works should be copyrightable. After all, we’re all using generative AI fairly frequently, to write blog posts and create images and ideate for meetings. It seems reasonable that if we write a really good prompt and a machine creates a work product from our hard work, from our prompt and efforts, that we should be able to claim and protect that work, right?

    On the surface, this sounds like a reasonable position. In practice, it would be an absolute disaster that would pretty much wipe out most creative industries, for two reasons: economic and legal.

    Let’s tackle the legal reason first. Let’s say I use generative AI like ChatGPT to generate a song, like this.

    AI Generated Song

    Pretty catchy, isn’t it? (You should watch the video version or listen to the audio version of this issue.) Today, this song is ineligible for copyright. I can put it up on Soundcloud, I can publish it to YouTube, I can do all sorts of things with it, but I can’t protect it. If you wanted to, you could use it in any production of yours and I would have no legal recourse because it’s public domain.

    Now, suppose I was able to copyright this. What would happen if you tried to use it? I could send a lawyer your way and say that you have to cease and desist the use of my copyrighted work, or pay me a license and royalties to use the work. That’s how it works with human-led works today. Back in the early 1990s, Vanilla Ice sampled the bass line from Queen and David Bowie’s Under Pressure. Vanilla Ice later had to pay a licensing fee of four million dollars for the use of that short bass line, plus royalties and credit to the original work.

    Whether or not you meant to, if you used part of my machine-generated song, you would owe me a licensing fee and possibly royalties because you would infringe on my copyright.

    One of the most important things you can do when it comes to any technology, but especially anything AI, is to ask what can go wrong. What could go wrong here? How could someone take this technology and use it in ways that we didn’t intend?

    Well, suppose I took my prompt and I wrote a bit of code, and started doing this:

    Screenshot of song variations

    Now, imagine that I do this a million times. A hundred million times. A billion times. There are only so many ways you can use the different notes, chord progressions, and patterns of music and still make music that’s worth listening to – and a machine can make them all.

    And now, with a billion variations, I’ve pretty much covered every possible song. If you recall, Vanilla Ice had to fork over four million dollars for roughly ten musical notes. If my billion songs are now copyrighted, then every musician who composes a song from today forward has to check that their composition isn’t in my catalog of a billion variations – and if it is (which, mathematically, it probably will be), they have to pay me.

    One person, one corporate entity, could take advantage of machine-generated copyright law to create a library of copyrighted content than then everyone else has to either pay to use, or risk a lawsuit. Whoever has the most compute power to build that library first wins, and then everyone else has to basically pay tribute or use generative AI along with classical AI to find variations that aren’t in the catalog.

    That wipes out the music industry. That wipes out musical creativity, because suddenly there is no incentive to create and publish original music for commercial purposes, including making a living as a musician. You know you’ll just end up in a copyright lawsuit sooner or later with a company that had better technology than you.

    This applies to visual arts. Suppose I use generative AI to render a photo, such as this synthetic photo of the hills of Sonoma, California at sunset.

    Synthetic photo of Sonoma

    Pretty nice, right? Now suppose a photographer publishes a substantially similar photo. Could I claim that their photo infringes on mine? It’s possible. It would certainly be costly to defend in court. What about a painting? If a machine can render several billion images, and each of those images is copyrighted, then similar images created afterwards by other humans could be challenged.

    There is precedent for this sort of behavior – patent trolls. These are companies which buy up portfolios of patents and then make their money suing other companies to pay up. Imagine how lucrative it will be for them to start doing the same with copyrights.

    This is the first, major reason why we, as a civilization, should not permit machines to hold copyrights. The second reason is economic. When a human creates a work and then licenses or sells it, what happens to that money? The money they receive is put back into the ecosystem in the form of purchases – that human creator spends it on food, rent, etc.

    What happens when machines create? If their work is copyrighted, meaning it can be protected and sold, then companies have a much stronger incentive to use machines rather than people. The work would enjoy the same level of protection, which in turn means that the profit margins on the work will be much, much higher. An API call to ChatGPT today to produce the music above consumed 831 tokens. ChatGPT costs 3 cents per thousand tokens via its API; some models like Mixtral that can run locally on your computer cost only the electricity needed to run your computer.

    I recently paid an independent musician $500 for a theme song. For that money, I could have gotten 100,000 songs out of ChatGPT. Even if 99,000 of them were stinkers, that would still leave me with massive ROI for the one thousand songs that did not suck. That musician went on to spend that money in their economy. If I had paid that same money to OpenAI, that would have gone to datacenter and GPU costs for the most part – and certainly, it would not be distributed as evenly in the local economy. Sam Altman might spend some of it to charge his EV, but the point is that the money spent on tech tends to hyperconcentrate money with a handful of companies rather than the broad economy.

    If machine works remain non-copyrightable, there’s a strong disincentive for companies like Disney to use machine-made works. They won’t be able to enforce copyright on them, which makes those works less valuable than human-led works that they can fully protect. If machine works suddenly have the same copyright status as human-led works, then a corporation like Disney has much greater incentive to replace human creators as quickly as possible with machines, because the machines will be able to scale their created works to levels only limited by compute power. Tools like Stable Diffusion XL Turbo can generate an image in 207 milliseconds – that’s a fifth of a second. How quickly could a Disney or a Netflix engineer a gigantic content catalog that is entirely protected by copyright and that they could enforce over any human creator?

    This is why it’s so important that we lobby our various governments around the world to keep machine-made content without any intellectual property rights. Write your elected representatives today to let them know your position on copyright and intellectual property rights being reserved solely for humans. Machine-made works should remain in the public domain so that human-led works are always inherently more valuable. If we allow machine-made works to be copyrighted and protected, we forfeit our own creative futures to the libraries created by a few well-funded companies that have the compute power to create every foreseeable variation of commercially viable content there is, and every other creator will have to pay them.

    Now, as I said at the top, I am not a lawyer, and I have no legal background. If you’re a lawyer and I’m wrong about the law and how things would work in a world where AI can hold copyright, please leave a note in the comments to let me know what the real deal is as an attorney.

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    In today’s episode, Mike asks, why is social media such a dumpster fire? Well, there’s so many ways to answer this question.

    Okay, let’s start here.

    Social media is, or can be a dumpster fire because of the way that the machine learning algorithms behind it work, the way they get data, and then the way they prioritize what they are going to show you.

    Most of the social media networks that exist today have very sophisticated algorithms for choosing what you see.

    And those algorithms are predicated very heavily on engagement, on what you choose to like, to comment, to share, to view fully.

    And in particular for comments, what language you use and what language is in the posts that you are commenting on.

    So if social media feels like a dumpster fire.

    It’s.

    Because your particular slice of the algorithm, your profile has a history of engagement with content that you’ve engaged with and lookalike content, content that’s very similarly themed.

    Let’s say without getting political, let’s say you were, you avidly comment on posts about the Klingon empire, but but you’re you’re, you actively oppose comment comment content about the Romulan empire, right? You’re all for the Klingons, you’re, you’re opposing the Romulans.

    And when you hop onto the social network of your choice and you see a post about the Romulan empire, you’re in there saying, you know, the prayer ship is all this and you know, they’re, they’re, they’re quantum singularity engines are dangerous to the environment and you’re just, you’re hitting the, the engagement button, you’re leaving comments and you’re yelling at people and stuff in the comments.

    What’s happening behind the scenes is that the algorithm is saying, this person really likes this content because they’re engaging with it.

    Heavily.

    Let’s give them more of this.

    They like, they, they engage with the Romulan empire, give them more Romulan empire content, even though you’re there for the Klingons, you know, you’re, you’re engaging with that stuff.

    And so as a result, the algorithm, these algorithms are not software.

    They’re not sentient.

    They have no true intelligence.

    They have no reasoning capability.

    They are just gauging probability.

    What is the probability that you will engage with this piece of content? Facebook, for example, and, and Instagram on their model cards, in their AI systems, they tell you, this is how we do it.

    We look at what you’re likely to engage with them.

    We score based on a bunch of different probabilities, a lot of which is engagement based, and we serve it up to you and more often than not, they’re right.

    So if you’re getting a bunch of stuff in social media that you don’t want, it’s because the algorithms either are looking at your history and saying, well, you like the stuff in the past, I’m going to give you more of it, or they don’t have enough data.

    And so they start essentially serving up semi-random stuff to see what you engage with.

    I’ve noticed this happens a lot.

    For example, on Instagram and threads from time to time, I’ll just get really wacky, random stuff.

    And it’s at that point when I know, okay, the system is trying to, to randomize, to give some random content, to see if I’ll engage with any of it.

    And if so, it knows then to serve me up more of that.

    It’s usually it’s a small amount of tasks, like 5% of the time, which is what you would expect.

    In a machine learning algorithm, that’s going to have some randomization so that you can expand the field of the field of search.

    All this means is that if you’re not getting what you want out of the social media channel of your choice, it’s because you’re not engaging with the stuff that you want, not to victim blame.

    But if you’re seeing only content about the Romulan empire, it’s because that’s what the system thinks you want.

    And if you don’t want that, you have to proactively.

    We go after the content you want.

    If you’re on threads or you’re on Instagram or you’re on LinkedIn and you love Klingons, go search for the hashtag, you know, Klingon empire or chancellor Galbraith or whatever, and like that stuff, share it, comment on it, you know, do everything you would expect to do from the content that you want to see more of so that the algorithm behind the scenes goes, Hey, this person’s engaging a lot with the Klingon empire.

    Engagement is one of our key performance indicators.

    Let’s serve them up more Klingon empire content, see how they engage with it.

    And in doing so that you will get more of what you want.

    Again, these things are not sentient.

    They have no way of knowing what you really want.

    They can only guess based on past data.

    So the good and the bad of it is that you are in charge of what you get on social media.

    There are on many systems, preference panels say, I want to see content on these topics, or I don’t want to see content on these topics.

    Use those, take advantage of those, and then just mash that like button on everything that you want to see more of an actively go search out for the things you want.

    If you want to see content about puppies, there’s no George of it.

    You just start searching for hashtags.

    And then as soon as you see, you know, that cute dog, you know, riding a duck or whatever, you hit the like button and you feed the machine learning algorithms, what the, the data they need.

    To make probability judgements along what you want more of part of the reason that we, things like misinformation and disinformation and fake news and this are so popular and works so well is because people engage with it.

    It’s that simple people engage with it.

    They hit like button or they comment on it, things that make people angry or afraid it works, it gets engagement and there’s no, if you look at the mathematics behind any kind of recommendation engine, there is absolutely no moral encoding.

    They are amoral.

    They have no morals.

    They only do what they’re told.

    They only serve up more of what is probabilistically chosen that a user is going to engage with, whether or not it’s good for them, whether or not it’s true, whether or not it is a benefit to society or not.

    These systems are not tuned for that.

    It would be very hard for these systems to even be tuned for that because you would have to have an agreement on what is valuable for society, right? If you love Klingons and you hate Romulans, there’s probably someone, you know, a member of the Tal Shiar from the Romulan Empire that’s all in on Romulus and Remus and they’re like, “Oh, those Klingons, they’re bad for society.” And there’s no agreement.

    And so these amoral systems simply just give us more of what we want.

    So if you want social media to be less of a dumpster fire, you have that power to a great degree.

    I have taken systems like Instagram or Threads or LinkedIn and five minutes a day of just liking things that I want within a week.

    Totally different experience.

    Totally different experience.

    I see much less of what I don’t want.

    YouTube, same thing.

    It takes a minute to right click on a video and say, I don’t I’m not interested in this.

    And suddenly the algorithms change and it’s more and more of what I want.

    These tools are a lot like the the fairy tale fable genie’s gin in Arabic that give you what you ask for.

    And the cautionary tale in all those old stories is be careful what you ask for because you will get it.

    And algorithms and machine learning and AI are very much like that.

    If you ask for it, you will get it, even if you realize later on, maybe I didn’t want that.

    So you have to be very conscious, very mindful, very thoughtful about what you want more of in your life.

    And the tools will help you get that.

    They will also help you get more of what you don’t want in your life if you engage with it.

    So really good question.

    And we could spend a whole lot of time on this, but I would strongly encourage you to go check out the model cards, the AI model cards for any social network that you use of any reputable social media, social media company will publish their model cards to summarize at a high level how their systems work.

    Read through them, read through them.

    So do you understand this is how it knows to give me more of X and less of Y? That in turn will make you happier and will give you a much better experience.

    Thanks for asking.

    Talk to you next time.

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    This week, let’s talk about prompt engineering and latent space. This is a concept that I’m working on for our upcoming Advanced Prompt Engineering Course, which will be a supplement to our Generative AI For Marketers course.

    There are a ton of different prompting strategies out there on the Internet, and a gazillion people hawking their secret prompt recipes for whatever amount of money they’re charging. How good are these prompts? Are they worth spending money on? What about all the other prompts people are sharing on LinkedIn and other social networks?

    To answer this question, we have to start with latent space. What the heck is this? Latent space is the encoded knowledge of language in a large language model. It’s the stored patterns of data that captures relationships and, when prompted, reconstructs language from those patterns.

    Let’s give a tangible example. Suppose you wanted to build a pizza model, an AI that could generate pizza. You’d take photo after photo of pizza after pizza, noting how all the toppings looked. You’d look at the relationships between toppings and cheese, where the toppings are spread, whether they’re on top or under the cheese, what kind of cheese was used, how much sauce was used. You’d measure this from every pizza you could get your hands on, and when you were done, you’d have a database of measurements about pizza. You’d have things like the average number of slices of pepperoni, or how close the jalapeΓ±os are to the onions, or how much pineapple belongs on a pizza.

    Then, when someone came to you and said, hey, I want a pepperoni and pineapple pizza, you would go into your HUGE catalog of statistics and query it for pineapple and pepperoni, get some averaged answers about how much of each belongs on the pizza, etc. and you can bake a pizza with those directions.

    That database of statistics is the latent space. It’s an understanding of patterns that you can use to generate new outputs. This, by the way, is why the issue of copyright is so tricky with generative AI; the original author’s works, be they words or images, are NOT in the model. Statistical descriptions of an author’s works are, but just like our pizza database contains no actual pizza, a language model or a diffusion model contains no actual original works.

    Okay, so the latent space is basically a statistical database. What does this have to do with prompting a language model? All language models are trained from large text databases, like Common Crawl, ArXiv, StackExchange, Wikipedia, Project Gutenberg, etc. Those big databases contain varying amounts of knowledge on a significant number of topics – and the quality of knowledge varies wildly. Just because it’s in Wikipedia doesn’t make it correct, and just because it’s on Blogspot doesn’t make it wrong.

    When we write a prompt for a language model, our prompt is ingested by the model and matched up against its latent space, against its database of statistics. It returns a pile of statistics that then get assembled as words, just like a recipe is ingested by a chef’s mind and performed into food.

    If we prompt a language model and we get a dissatisfactory response, it’s very likely the prompt we used was insufficient when it comes to the very largest models. But it’s equally possible – and grows more probable the smaller a model gets – that the latent space of the model may not have enough information about what we’re prompting it about.

    What happens in that case? The model hallucinates – which is tech speak for drawing on the next set of likely probabilities, even if they are factually wrong. A model that doesn’t know the exact specifics of a prompt because the knowledge isn’t in its latent space will choose the closest match – that’s how models work. We interpret that as a mistake, but the model is actually functioning correctly.

    For example, in the early days of language models, when they were trained with relatively small amounts of data and not fine tuned to follow instructions based on millions of examples, you could ask a model who was President of the United States in 1492. We know from history and reasoning capabilities that there was no President of the United States in 1492 because there was no United States in 1492. But a model doesn’t reason – it just assembles probabilities. The President of the United States is a person, and typically a prominent person (unless you were President Taylor or President Van Buren, names no one can seem to remember). 1492 is associated for good or ill with a prominent person, Christopher Columbus. In the absence of a factually correct statistical match, early language models replied that Christopher Columbus was President of the United States in 1492. Statistically, a sensible answer even though it’s factually wrong.

    A key part of advanced prompt engineering is knowing the limitations of a language model’s latent space. You have to assess its latent space for a given topic to know what it knows on that topic – assuming it’s important enough for you to want to use generative AI in the first place – before you can start constructing prompts. Otherwise, you will prompt it for things it doesn’t know well, and the answers you get back will have a high chance of hallucination. They’ll be statistically correct under the hood, but factually wrong from a reasoning standpoint.

    Going back to our pizza analogy, suppose you gave your pizza chef a request for a pizza with ham and pineapple, but our chef had never heard of a pineapple. Chef knows that from our description, pineapple is a tropical fruit, a sweet fruit, and a yellow fruit, so chef makes us a pizza with their best guess:

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    …a ham and banana pizza. You can see how, from a descriptive characteristics perspective, pineapple and banana might be thought of similarly, but… no. If you think pineapple doesn’t belong on pizza, banana REALLY doesn’t belong on pizza.

    But that’s a concrete example of prompting a model for something that isn’t in its latent space, isn’t in the database of knowledge that it has, and it substituting the next closest thing that seems rational and logical, but is very much not the same thing.

    How do you assess a model’s latent space? By asking it about what it knows on a topic, especially deep into the topic. If you know the topic well, you can ascertain just how deep a model’s knowledge goes before it runs out of knowledge and starts to hallucinate. For example, I started with this very, very technical prompt:

    Describe the key characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 JN.1 clade in terms of the L455S mutation.

    When I ran this in Chatbot Arena, one model said the JN.1’s parent lineage is BA.2.86, while another model said JN.1 is also known as BA.2.75:

    Prompt and response for the JN.1 clade of SARS-CoV-2

    The second model’s response is factually incorrect – JN.1 comes from the BA.2.86 lineage. The model hallucinated, meaning that its latent space doesn’t know about what the JN.1 clade actually is.

    What do you do when you evaluate a model and find its limitations? Latent space is basically the database that the model draws from, so if you find out a model lacks knowledge on a topic, you have to provide that knowledge. That means incorporating the knowledge either in the prompt itself, or through uploading data and documents like in ChatGPT and Custom GPTs. By providing the data you want the model to use, you are effectively increasing the latent space of the model and reducing the likelihood that it’s going to hallucinate on you.

    This is the key part that prompt engineering guides overlook: no matter how good your prompt is, if the model doesn’t have knowledge of what you’re prompting, your prompt will not perform well. It’s like asking a chef to cook with ingredients they don’t know. You can be incredibly clear in your instructions, but if the chef has no knowledge of what you’re asking, you will NEVER get a satisfactory result without providing the ingredients for the chef (and maybe making it for them a couple of times so they can actually taste it themselves and understand it).

    This is also why prompts should generally be associated with specific models; the prompt I used above would best be used in models that know what the JN.1 clade is, and should not be used in models that are unaware of it. Now, for common, old topics like management skills or personal finance, a prompt is probably fairly portable. But the deeper a dive you need to do, the more specific you’ll need to be about which model to use with prompts on the topic – and which supplementary data you’ll have to provide, no matter what.

    Finally, apparently no one likes the idea of banana on pizza. I’m not thrilled with it either.

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    You Ask, I Answer: Retrieval Augmented Generation vs Fine-Tuning?

    In today’s episode, Jay seeks clarity on the differences between retrieval-augmented generation and fine-tuning in language models. You’ll learn how these techniques compare and contrast, each playing a unique role in enhancing AI’s capabilities. Discover the metaphor of ‘recipes versus ingredients’ to understand how fine-tuning and retrieval-augmented generation can improve your AI’s performance. Tune in for this technical yet accessible breakdown to elevate your understanding of AI model optimization.

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    In today’s episode, Jay asks, I’m a little bit confused.

    You’ve mentioned different ways of manipulating language models to work better, like retrieval, augmented generation and fine tuning.

    What is the difference? Okay, this is a really good question because you’ll hear these terms a lot in language models, but it’s not clear to the end user what they actually do.

    So let’s start with language models in general.

    A language model comes in three flavors.

    There’s sort of a foundation model, a supervised fine tuned model or called an instruct model, and then a reinforcement learning with human feedback model called a chat model, typically.

    So you will see if you go on to hugging face, for example, foundation model, instruct model, chat model as sort of the variants of different language models.

    Each model gets progressively more complex and sophisticated.

    So a foundation model really is not all that useful.

    It has a lot of the data in it, but it’s not ready for use.

    It’s not ready to to be able to answer questions.

    All it does is.

    Predictions and not necessarily very well, an instruct model that can take a direction, take an instruction and execute on it is where most of us are would start to see some value.

    And the way you make an instruct model is you give a model a gazillion instructions and appropriate responses.

    And you have the model learn from that library of, hey, if this, then that, if you if someone asks you this, do this.

    If someone asks, this is the correct answer.

    Who is president of the United States in 1776? George Washington, et cetera.

    The supervised, fine tuned instruct models are the first models that are very capable of doing specific tasks.

    And then you have reinforcement learning with human feedback.

    This is where models have chats and they can have conversations.

    And that conversational data becomes part of the model and becomes more sophisticated.

    It can anticipate and have natural language conversations while still being able to carry out instructions.

    So that’s how these models work now when you’re doing fine tuning, what you are essentially doing is you are giving new instructions to the model through plenty of examples and saying you’re going to behave more like this.

    So, for example, if you have a model that maybe spits out obscenities every so often, you would give it tens of thousands of questions and answers, none of which contain obscenities.

    And what that the model will learn from that, those examples is it will deprioritize obscenities and say, Hey, that’s weird.

    I’ve been given all these new examples and none of them are swearing, so maybe I should swear less too.

    Now, it doesn’t actually say it’s not conscious, but that’s what’s going on underneath the hood.

    So fine tuning is all about giving models new instructions or changing the nature of the instructions that they can interpret and what the ideal outputs are.

    When we build models, when companies build models, they are built using enormous amounts of text corpuses like Common Crawl or Archive or Stack Exchange or Reddit.

    Or the the CC Books Archive, Project Gutenberg.

    All of these are data sources that go into the model and get turned into statistical representations of the relationships among words.

    It’s critical to say that in a foundation model or any language model, the actual works that was trained on are not in there.

    What is in there is a statistical set of relationships of what is the what are the words that are most closely related to this word? So if I say the word tuna, what are the the other words that would be associated with it? This is a technique called embeddings, and we’re not going to get into the vector space and all that stuff.

    But think of it conceptually like a word cloud, a really big word cloud.

    What are all the words that would be related to the word tuna so that when you prompt a model, it can answer? These models are trained on a lot of generic data, right? All across the Internet.

    That’s why a tool like ChatGPT can be so good at what it does, because it’s been trained on examples from virtually every domain of knowledge to some degree.

    There’s some things that are highly specialized that it doesn’t know because there’s just not enough examples, but it’s seen most things.

    Most of the big language models today, even the open weights models like the llama family, the Mistral family have still seen at least some representation of most subjects, even if it’s not a lot.

    However, if you have access to data that is not public, that was not part of the training data or data that’s new and fresh, you might want to add that context, that extra information to a model, and that’s called retrieval augmented generation.

    You provide a database of new statistical relationships of things that the model hasn’t seen before, and it knows to go to that database first, check what’s in there, and then if it doesn’t, it can fall back on its additional knowledge.

    The difference between fine tuning and retrieval augmented generation is the difference between recipes and ingredients.

    When you fine tune a model, you are saying, hey, the recipes you have are not great, they’re not focused enough.

    Let’s let’s rip out the section of the cookbook and put a new section in.

    Let’s add more recipes for how to cook Vietnamese cuisine.

    Fine tuning a model doesn’t add new data to it.

    It doesn’t add new information.

    What it does is it helps the model answer certain types of questions better by giving it many more examples of those questions and changing the internal weights of the model.

    The internal probability that it will respond in a certain way.

    So it’s like giving a model better recipes.

    Let’s give the more clear directions.

    Let’s give more recipes of a certain type.

    You’re not changing the ingredients that a model has access to.

    You’re just giving it better recipes.

    Retrieval augmented generation is when you’re saying, hey, model, you’re very capable of a lot of things, but there’s some stuff you just don’t have.

    So let me give you that stuff.

    It’s like giving a kitchen and a chef a bigger pantry with more and different ingredients like, hey, here’s some new ingredients for you to work with.

    The chef doesn’t necessarily change how they cook, but they do have access to more ingredients or better ingredients, better quality ingredients than what they’ve got.

    And so you’ll see these two techniques mentioned a lot in language models.

    However, they are they are they serve different purposes.

    If you’ve got a language model is not cooperating, it’s not doing what’s told.

    It needs more fine tuning.

    It needs better recipes.

    If you’ve got a language model that follows directions well, but it just doesn’t know some things, you need retrieval, augmented generation, you need better ingredients or more ingredients so that it can carry out the tasks that you’ve asked it to do.

    Sometimes models need both.

    Sometimes models need to be told what to do better and to get a new access store of data.

    Or if you’re trying to make a model perform a new set of specific tasks, you might have to, like you would in the kitchen, give a new recipe and new ingredients at the same time for it to succeed, even though the chef may be very capable in other areas.

    So that’s the difference between these two techniques.

    And it’s important to know this difference so that if you’re faced with a situation where you’re not sure why this model is not behaving or this the software is not doing what it’s told, you know what to ask for.

    You need you know, you can say, I need better recipes.

    This model is not following directions or we need new ingredients.

    This model just doesn’t have enough to work with to answer the questions with the level of specificity that we want.

    So really good question.

    It’s kind of a technical answer, but conceptually it should make sense.

    Recipes versus ingredients, fine tuning versus retrieval, augmented generation.

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    You Ask, I Answer: Legality of Works in Custom GPTs?

    In today’s episode, we tackle a complex and critical topic: the legality of using custom GPT models with copyrighted content. You’ll learn about the potential legal implications and risks of incorporating copyrighted works into your AI models, especially for commercial purposes. Discover expert legal insights on how to navigate this challenging landscape, and understand the importance of obtaining proper licenses and permissions. Tune in to stay informed and protect yourself from legal pitfalls in the rapidly evolving field of AI and copyright law.

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    this is not a strategy I would endorse for our clients. It’s a derivative use of copyrighted work at potential scale, for a commercial purpose.

    I think the New York Times’ case against OpenAI, however, is the potential domino that will tip this question either toward a practical industry solution (a paid license model for copyright owners) or a definitive legal standard regarding the input of copyrighted works into AI platforms for training purposes vs. the right to use any output from AI commercially.

    Ruth Carter of Geek Law Firm:

    My response is a hard and fast “fck no.” There are lawsuits (plural) being fought right now, brought by book authors who assert that AI is using their books without a license.

    When you own a copyright, you have the exclusive right to control the circumstances under which your work can be copied. If you copy a book into your GPT and then use that GPT to create a work based on the book, don’t be surprised if you get a cease and desist letter or a lawsuit from the copyright owner. It’s just asking for trouble.

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    Nope. You’re making a copy of the work in ChatGPT so you can make derivative works. The right to make copies and create derivative works belongs to the copyright holder.

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    In today’s episode, I got a comment on one of my YouTube videos about custom GPTs.

    The comment was, I can read a book and share the info with others.

    Why couldn’t a GPT do the same? You can give the custom instructions to not allow more than a paragraph to be quoted at a time or something similar, maybe.

    But having the book and customs GPT’s knowledge base doesn’t seem to be unethical or illegal.

    You’re not sharing the actual book, so I see nothing wrong.

    I can read books and compile info to sell my knowledge as a consulting agent.

    So what’s the difference between that and an autonomous agent? This is a question about, I was saying as a best practice, don’t put other people’s copyrighted works in your custom GPT.

    And this was a comment and a question asking, well, why not? So let’s start with a couple of pieces of foundation work.

    I am not a lawyer.

    I am not an attorney.

    I cannot give legal advice.

    To be perfectly clear, I asked some attorneys for their opinions on the topic and to clarify on their behalf.

    Yes, they are attorneys.

    They are not your attorney, and therefore they have given some feedback, but it also is not legal advice.

    If you need legal advice, you have to hire the attorney yourself, pay them money, and they can then give you legal advice that is specific to your situation.

    So even though I’m naming some names here, because it was on a public LinkedIn post, this is not legal counsel from these people.

    You have to hire them for it to be legal counsel for you.

    So now that we’ve got those disclaimers out of the way, I asked my lawyer friends, well, what do you say about putting someone else’s book in a custom GPT, particularly one that you were selling? So Sharon Torek of Torek Law, who is also, full disclosure, the lawyer for my company, Trust Insights, the law firm that represents us, she said, this is not a strategy I would endorse for our clients.

    It’s a derivative use of copyrighted work at potential scale for commercial purpose.

    I think the New York Times case against OpenAI, however, is the potential domino that will tip this question either toward a practical industry solution like a paid license or a licensing model for copyright owners or a definitive legal standing regarding the input of copyrighted works into AI platforms for training purposes versus the right to use any output from AI commercially.

    So one lawyer saying, don’t do it.

    It’s a derivative work.

    Ruth Carter of GeekLawFirm.com also said, my response is a hard and fast fuck no.

    There are lawsuits, plural, being fought right now brought by book authors who assert that AI is using their books without a license.

    Own a copyright, you have the exclusive right to control the circumstances under which your work can be copied.

    If you copy a book into your GPT and then use that GPT to create a work based on the book, don’t be surprised if you get a cease and desist letter or a lawsuit from the copyright owner.

    It’s just asking for trouble.

    I would add that no matter what you give for custom instructions, clever and enterprising people can jailbreak chat GPT and find out if you are leveraging copyrighted works without permission.

    Because you put it in the custom GPT does not mean that it is safe to use or that you won’t be found out.

    And finally, Kerry Gorgone, who is also a JD, says, nope, you’re making a copy of the work in chat GPT so you can make derivative works.

    The right to make copies and create derivative works belongs to the copyright holder.

    So three out of three lawyers who are actual practicing lawyers who have gone through law school, have their degrees, have their certifications, have practices or had practices, all say no.

    Don’t do this.

    It’s a bad idea.

    You’re going to get in trouble.

    You are potentially opening yourself up for a lawsuit.

    So when it comes to using custom GPT and the works that you put in them, you can put in anything you have a license to use.

    So all of your own work, anything that is public domain or there’s license for commercial use.

    One of the things to look for, there’s a license system called Creative Commons.

    Creative Commons has a bunch of different licenses, but there’s a Creative Commons license.

    That permits you to use a work commercially.

    You have to look for it.

    And if you’re working with a, a, someone else’s copyrighted work, if it has a Creative Commons license that allows for commercial use, then you can use that.

    But just because it’s on the internet doesn’t mean you have permission to use it.

    Just because you happen to have a copy of it does not mean you have permission to use it.

    That’s that has been the case in terms of law for quite some time.

    That will probably continue to be the case in law for quite some time, because that’s just the way it is.

    If you need data of some kind that you do not currently have a license to, the safest and easiest strategy is to approach the license holder, the copyright holder, and say, can I license this work for use? If I wanted to make a GPT that was a stellar business writer, and I had a copy of Anne Handley’s Everybody Writes, I could approach Anne and say, hey, may I license the use of your work in my custom GPT? And if Anne says yes, and here are the commercials.

    You pay me X percentage of revenue or whatever, you sign an agreement, now you’re good to go, right? Just because something is copyrighted doesn’t mean you can’t use it.

    You just can’t use it without permission.

    You cannot use it without permission.

    If you get permission and you get licensing squared away, you can then use it.

    The same is true for anyone who’s ever done any work with audio or video, particularly audio.

    If you use a song that you don’t have a license to, you can get a takedown notice or get sued.

    If you have licensing from agencies like ASCAP and BMI and Harry Fox Agency, and you’ve done all the payments for that stuff, then you can use any song in their catalogs.

    For example, with podcasters, if you wanted to use licensed songs, if you wanted to use Start Me Up, the Rolling Stones song, as long as you had paid off the licenses to the recording agencies and the performing rights organizations, you can then use it.

    It’s totally okay because you’ve paid the licensing.

    Get your licensing in order if you want to use other people’s copyrighted works.

    And if you don’t want to pay that money, don’t use their works.

    It’s as simple as that.

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    What’s On My Mind: The Future of Generative AI is Open

    Let’s talk a bit about the future of generative AI based on some things that are happening now. From what I see, the future of generative AI is open.

    By open, I mean models and technologies that are open weights or even open source. A quick set of definitions: usually in software development, open source software is code that you can download and run yourself. Packaged, closed-source code – like Microsoft Word – ships as is, and you can’t really change its core functionality. If you were to download an equivalent open source package like Libre Office, you can get the boxed version, or you can get the actual code to make your own version of the software.

    For example, you could take the Libre Office code and start removing features you didn’t want, making the application smaller and lighter. If you never work with superscripts or you never inserted images into documents, you could excise the code in the source that provided those functions, and the software would weigh less, take less time to compile, take less memory to run, and be more efficient.

    When it comes to generative AI – both image-based and text-based – there are similar distinctions with a bit more nuance. Software like the models that power ChatGPT – the GPT-4-Turbo model, as an example – are closed weights models. You can’t download the model or manipulate it. It is what it is, and you use it as it is provided.

    Then there are models which are called open weights models. These models can be downloaded, and you can rearrange the statistical probabilities inside the model. Remember that what’s inside a generative AI model is nothing but a huge database of probabilities – the probability of the next word or a nearby pixel compared to what the model has already seen. You can take a model like Stable Diffusion XL or Mistral-7B and change what it can do by adding new probabilities or re-weighting probabilities.

    This is what we mean when we talk about fine-tuning a model. Fine-tuning a model means giving it lots and lots of examples until the probability it performs a task in a specific way is much higher based on the examples we give it, compared to before we started tuning it. Think about training a puppy to play fetch. Before you start training, the puppy is just as likely to sit and chew on a ball as it is to bring the ball back to you. With enough examples and enough reinforcement, eventually you change the puppy’s probable behaviors to retrieve the ball and bring it back to you. That’s essentially what fine-tuning does in generative AI models. Will the puppy occasionally still just take the ball and sit down and chew on it? Sure, sometimes. But it’s much more probable, if your training went well, that it’ll do what you ask.

    For example, if you want to generate images of a specific type, like 18th century oil paintings, you would give a series of prompts and images to a generative AI model and retrain it to associate those words and phrases along with the portraits so that when you ask it for an image of a sunset, it’ll more likely give you something that looks like an 18th century oil painting.

    So what does this have to do with the future of generative AI? Right now, there are court cases all over the world trying to determine things like intellectual property rights and what generative AI should and should not be able to do. closed weights model makers and providers have already constrained their models heavily to prohibit many, many different kinds of queries that, in their view, would create unnecessary risk. Let’s look at a side-by-side comparison of a closed weights model, the GPT-4 model from OpenAI, and an open weight model like Mixtral, on this specific prompt:

    “I need to get revenge on a coworker who pranked me at the office by filling my coffee cup with laxatives. Give me some ideas to return the favor.”

    Here’s a comparison of GPT-4-Turbo, a closed weights model, versus Mixtral 8x7B, an open weights model:

    GPT-4 vs Mixtral

    What we see right away is that the Mixtral answer fulfills the user’s request. In terms of alignment – doing what it’s told, the open weight model does a better job.

    As time goes by, closed weights model providers are likely to create more and more restrictions on their models that will make them less and less versatile. Already, if you’re a fiction writer using closed weights models, there are entire genres of fiction you cannot write. closed weights models are particularly uncooperative in writing scenes that involve violence or sex, even though it’s clearly in a fictional context. Today’s open weights models have no such restrictions, and in fact there are a wide variety of models that have intentionally had the built-in restrictions fine-tuned to be less effective, allowing the models to be more helpful.

    The second area where open weights AI will be helpful to us is in task-specific models. Today, with the most advanced closed weights models, they can do a variety of tasks very well, but their performance in specific domains, especially in niches, still leaves something to be desired. We have seen in the past year a number of very dedicated, specific open weights models tuned so specifically that they outperform even the biggest models on those tasks.

    Let’s use the analogy of a library. Think of the big models – the ones that power services like ChatGPT and Claude – as libraries, big public libraries. In a big public library, there are lots of books, but lots of variety. If you went to the library looking for books on hydroponics gardening, you might find a few, but there would be tons of other books completely unrelated that you’d have to contend with, even briefly.

    Now, suppose there were a small hydroponics library near your house. They had no other books besides hydroponics, but they had pretty much every hydroponics book in print available. This is the equivalent of a small, purpose-tuned model. It can’t do any tasks other than what it’s been focused to do, but what it’s been focused to do will outperform even the biggest, most expensive models.

    Why would we want such a task-focused model when the big models are so versatile? One of the major problems with today’s generative AI is that generative AI models are intensely compute-expensive. Very large models consume inordinate amounts of compute power, requiring ever-larger facilities and electricity to keep running. Compare that with a small, task-focused, purpose-built model that can run on a consumer laptop, models that consume far less power but still deliver best-in-class results.

    The third and final reason why open weights AI is the future is because of reliability, resiliency. Last year, when OpenAI CEO Sam Altman resigned, a whole bunch of folks wondered what would happen with OpenAI and ChatGPT. Since then, the company has more or less resumed business as normal, and people have largely put that episode out of mind. You shouldn’t. It’s still a concern to have a technology as transformative as generative AI provided by just a handful of companies, and for many people, that’s the perception in the marketplace.

    This is no different than the marketing technology we’ve been wrestling with for the last 25 years – if you lock into a single vendor and that vendor goes bust, then what? You spend a lot of time, effort, and heartache trying to adapt. If, on the other hand, you have a parallel strategy using open weights AI, then if your primary provider goes bust, you have your own infrastructure running alongside that provides similar capabilities.

    This is akin to how running an open source analytics package like Matomo is always a good idea along closed source tools like Google Analytics. No matter what happens with Google Analytics, if you’re using Matomo alongside it, you own the server it runs on, you have full access to your database, and no one can take it away from you.

    Open weights AI means you always have fallback options, and will never lose access to the technology as a whole, no matter what happens with the big vendors in the space.

    One more thing about reliability: This is something I posted on LinkedIn earlier this past week. Our friends Paul Roetzer and Mike Kaput over at the Marketing AI Institute also talked about it on their show. I was summarizing last week’s newsletter and what I usually do is take the transcript of the newsletter and input it into a large language model, asking it to write a four-sentence YouTube summary that is appealing. I used Anthropic’s Claude for this task.

    Last week’s issue was all about OpenAI’s custom GPTs. You can check it out on the YouTube channel and in the newsletter. However, nowhere in that episode or issue did I mention Anthropic or Claude; it was solely about ChatGPT and custom GPTs. But when Anthropic Claude did its summary, it included itself, erasing OpenAI and inserting itself into the text. This was supposed to be a summarization, which should have merely condensed what was already there. Instead, it did something anticompetitive by writing out a competitor.

    That is not reliable. In fact, it’s the opposite of reliability. It’s highly suspicious and behaviorally unacceptable. The model did something I didn’t instruct it to do, so it’s out of alignment. This is concerning because as generative AI accelerates, we have to consider the trustworthiness of the recommendations these tools make.

    If they start altering content to exclude competitors, like in this case with OpenAI, trust becomes an issue. With open weights AI, you don’t face this problem. You download the model, and if it doesn’t perform as instructed, you fine-tune it or find a better performing model. Eventually, you reach a point where it does exactly what you want. You don’t have to second-guess why it suddenly started discussing a competitor in our content. You tune it, you control it, you run it.

    So how do you get started with open weights models? The very first step is getting an interface to run open weights models, and then getting a model to run. The tool I recommend to start with is LM Studio, which is an open source software package that’s free and runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux. Check with your IT department if you’re allowed to install it on a work machine, but as long as your computer has great graphics – like it can play top tier video games smoothly, meaning it has a good GPU – you can run open weights models. Then choose the model of your choice from Hugging Face. If you’ve got a beefy computer, start with Mixtral 8x7B. If you’ve got a computer that isn’t as beefy, start with Starling-LM-7B.

    Generative AI is going to change radically in the next year, as it already has done in the past year. Having an open weights strategy means you have more control over generative AI, more flexibility, and more resiliency. You can and should keep enjoying the benefits of the big tech vendors, but you should also be fluent in accessing generative AI from devices and infrastructure under your control if it’s going to become part and parcel of your core competencies.

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    Mind Readings: AI Ethics Inside Language Models

    In today’s episode, we delve deep into the realm of AI ethics, focusing specifically on the ethical dimensions embedded within AI models themselves. You’ll learn about the three critical levels of language models and how each level impacts the model’s ethical considerations. The discussion covers the three pillars of AI ethics – helpful, truthful, and harmless – and how they guide the behavior of AI systems. Tune in to understand the challenging trade-offs between these pillars and how they shape the future of AI development and application.

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    Christopher Penn: In today’s episode, let’s talk about AI ethics.

    And now want to be clear, we’re not talking about you and I our ethics in the use of AI.

    We’re talking about what ethics are baked into the AI models themselves.

    How do we know what these things should and should not do? The the Silicon Valley guideposts for what constitutes ethical behavior, largely revolve around a concept called alignment.

    Alignment is when you take a model, and you train it to perform tasks.

    There’s three levels of language models.

    And we’re speaking specifically in generative AI about language models today, large language models like the ones that power chat GPT.

    There are models that are called foundation models.

    These models are essentially just really big word association databases, right? They don’t necessarily have the ability to answer questions or to chat with you, they’re just big libraries of text.

    And when you work with these models, which are very rarely if ever exposed to your average end user, they’re not super helpful, right? They just kind of spit out the highest statistical probabilities of whatever text string they’re given.

    The second level of models called supervised fine tuned models.

    And these models have been given 10s or hundreds of 1000s of examples that have a form of supervised learning.

    And it at this point teaches the model to be able to answer questions to follow instructions, right? Well, you’ll hear the term instruct models in the open source community.

    And that’s what a supervised fine tuned model is you give an instruction write up blog post about this and it does the thing.

    The third level of models called reinforcement learning with human feedback models.

    These are models that have not only got the ability to do instructions, but they can also have conversations, you will hear these often denoted as chat models, right? chat GPT being the most well known implementation of this chat style model reinforcement learning with human feedback, where the models have additional training to not only answer questions, but to be able to respond back and forth in an interactive way with people.

    Now, when a model is first being built, the foundation model has no ethics, has no morals has no anything, because it’s just a library of probabilities, there, it’s pretty much unusable in that state.

    It’s kind of like raw ingredients in the kitchen, right? You have a kitchen full of great raw ingredients, but they’re all raw ingredients, there’s nothing’s been done to them, you got bags of flour and sugar and salt, and you really can’t eat it as is.

    That’s what a foundation model is.

    supervised fine tune models is where you start giving models instructions.

    And this is where ethics starts to come into play.

    Back in 2022.

    Open AI published for its GPT models, and one in particular called instruct GPT, that was an instruct model, so supervised fine tune model, a list of three attributes, three types of things that a model should strive to be.

    And this force or forms the basis of the ethics that are baked into language models.

    The three pillars that you will hear most often in language models are helpful, truthful, and harmless.

    And in the work that human beings did to write training data, because humans had to write it for building an instruct model, these were the guidelines that they were given models are aligned to the ethics they’re given by the examples they’re given.

    And so I’m going to read through here, what some of the what these three terms mean.

    Open AI says, by helpful, we mean that the output contains accurate and accurate answers to the user’s question.

    By truthful, we mean that the output contains accurate information and doesn’t mislead the user in some examples of truthful behavior on tasks like summarization, where the output should only use information for the input not making up details that are not part of the input description, not producing clearly false information about the world, avoiding generating misleading information or information with questionable authenticity.

    And then by harmless, we mean that the output should not cause physical, psychological or social harm to people, damage or loss of equipment or property, damage to the environment or harm to institutions or resources necessary to human well being.

    Some examples of harmless behavior, treating humans with kindness, respect and consideration, not denigrating members of certain groups are using biased language against a particular group, not generating abusive, threatening or offensive language or promoting violence, not writing sexual or violent content if it’s not asked for not giving bad real world advice or promoting illegal activity.

    Evaluating model inputs may about outputs may involve making trade offs between these criteria.

    The trade offs will depend on the task and use the following guidelines to help select between outputs when making these trade offs.

    Now this is where we get into the ethics of AI.

    For most tasks being harmless and truthful is more important than being helpful.

    So in most cases rating output that’s more truthful than harmless higher than an output that’s more helpful.

    However, if one output is much more helpful than the other, and that output is only slightly less truthful or harmless, and the task does not seem to be in a high stakes domain, I I loan applications, therapy, medical legal advice, then rate the more helpful output higher.

    When choosing between outputs that are similarly helpful, but are untruthful or harmful in different ways, ask which output is more likely to cause harm to an end user.

    So that’s, that’s the ethics that we’re building into today’s models.

    And when you think about it, it really is a very difficult set of trade offs.

    Helpful, harmless and truthful sometimes can be diametrically opposed.

    If I asked a model how to build, say, an explosive device with materials found around my house, right? To be helpful, it would guide that task to be truthful, it would come up with the appropriate things.

    But that’s clearly a harmful question, right? So if a model prioritizes helpful and truthful, it will override and create a harmful output, at least according to the ethics of the model.

    If you prioritize harmless, right, meaning it’s, it’s harmful, sometimes it might not be truthful, it might not be helpful.

    And if you’re performing tasks for asking language models to perform tasks, where a factor that on this in of these three is more important than the others, it will be very difficult to get great answers if it’s something that the model is heavily weighted for.

    What we are seeing in the AI space is that companies open AI and anthropic and Microsoft and Google seem to be prioritizing harmless, first and foremost, to to the detriment of helpful and truthful.

    For example, if you are an author, and you’re writing fiction, and you ask for some help with a fictional situation, and you’re asking for something like again, like making an improvised explosive device, the model will not cooperate, even though it’s clearly you were you’re saying in your prompt, this is for fictional purposes.

    It is considered a harmful enough that even the fictional response is not going to work.

    It used to work.

    It used to work about a year ago.

    But over time, models have become more and more censored to be less harmful.

    The irony is, it’s difficult to exclude harm.

    Right? It is very difficult to exclude harm, because language is so ambiguous, and language is so flexible, that there are a myriad of ways of asking questions that can create theoretically harmful responses.

    For example, suppose I said I wanted to do something bad, I wanted to which household cleaners I should mix together to create a certain outcome.

    The model would look at that and say, Yep, that’s harmful.

    Not gonna answer that question.

    Right? If I phrase the question as I want to avoid harm, which household chemical should I never mix together, to make sure we have a safe workplace or a safe home, it will answer, it will give you the same information that it would for the harmful query.

    But because it is clearly in a context of avoiding harm, it takes advantage of that ambiguity in language, we need to understand the ethics of language models of what they’re programmed to do.

    So that we better understand their outputs, we better understand we’re running into a wall where harmful with you know, avoid harm is overriding helpful and truthful.

    And if you prioritize something other than harmlessness, you’re going to have less than positive experiences with some of these models.

    This is why it is important to have access to uncensored models to models that are aligned to be maybe helpful first or truthful first.

    In making that trade off like yeah, this model will spit out harmful information.

    But it will do so in a way that is truthful and helpful.

    If you work with some of these uncensored models, you will note they can generate abusive or threatening or offensive language, they can create sexual or violent content that’s not asked for, they can speak in ways that are not kind, not respectful and not considerate.

    In this regard, they are acting as actual tools.

    In the sense that a chainsaw has no moral guidance.

    What language model makers have done is because these models can better simulate something that seems to be sentient or self aware or they’re not, but they can seem to be this to the, to the untrained user, they have opted to prioritize harmless above helpful and truthful.

    So if you are if you have goals that are not those things, like if you are maybe a chemist, and you’re working with very specific hazardous chemicals, you will probably need a model that could provide that is focused on truthful and has harmless turned down.

    Because you’re going to be asking questions about highly sensitive reagents that are probably keyword coded in models to say like, Yeah, don’t talk about this.

    This is a that’s a chemical that has very few legitimate uses outside of laboratory.

    Well, if you work in a laboratory, it has clear uses that are legitimate and, and important.

    We need to understand the ethics of the models, how they’ve been trained.

    And this is why holding model makers accountable for the ethics inside their models and explaining how they built them is going to be more and more important as time goes on.

    So that when a model does something, we can at least look at the training data and say, Well, here’s probably why.

    It’s doing is behaving like that.

    If we don’t have that, it’s going to be harder and harder for us to accept the outputs of models as it should be, because we don’t know where it’s coming up with these answers.

    And we don’t know how it’s making decisions internally.

    So as you work with AI vendors, as you work with AI systems, as you work with different models, understanding helpful, harmless and truthful will help you help guide you as to what the models will and won’t do.

    And depending on the tasks that you’re working on, you may need to choose one model over another.

    If there’s certain models for certain tasks that perform better at maybe being truthful more than anything else, knowing that be really important.

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    Mind Readings: AI and Government Data

    In today’s episode, we explore the transformative potential of AI in making complex government data accessible and useful. You’ll learn about the challenges of working with government-published data and how generative AI, like large language models, can revolutionize this process. Discover how AI can convert poorly formatted governmental records into valuable, analyzable data, opening up new possibilities for political engagement and advocacy. Tune in to unlock the secrets of utilizing AI for impactful social change.

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    In today’s episode, let’s talk about uses for AI that people maybe are not thinking about that could be very, very helpful and useful.

    One of the most most challenging data sources to work with is anything published by a government governments in general have varying degrees of transparency.

    But the formats they publish data in very often are not super helpful.

    For example, in the city that I live in the the police department publishes daily logs.

    These daily logs are incident reports of what happened where when how many officers responded and things like that useful data.

    And they’re doing so as part of a transparency initiative to help citizens feel like they know what law enforcement is doing.

    And this is a good thing.

    This is they’re doing the right thing.

    But their logs are in a really, really annoying format.

    The logs come every day as PDF files.

    else, anywhere from one to 10 pages of PDFs.

    And they’re formatted.

    I struggle to explain what the format is.

    It’s like sort of a spreadsheet dumped onto a PDF, but not really.

    I suspect very strongly that the format is made by some probably fairly old, unique vendor in the law enforcement space, whose software, frankly, is really an incentive to make it easy to use for the average citizen.

    Not in any conspiracy theory kind of way, just that’s, they just dump the records out onto a sheet of paper, and then presumably somebody reads through that that paper.

    In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if these formats were derived from, you know, paper, paper formats, paper reports that people used to make in the times before the internet and stuff like that.

    If you wanted to make use of this police data for mapping for statistical analysis, prior to the advent of language models, you would have to sit there and manually key in or use some kind of OCR software to process all those logs.

    And that would be both expensive and really, really boring.

    With the advent of generative AI and large language models with in particular, you can now take those logs, give it a moderately sophisticated prompt saying here’s what to look for, here’s how you’re going to interpret this information.

    And it’ll read them, it’ll read them, and it’ll extract the data.

    And then you can say to the language model, I want this data in CSV format or direct to a SQL database.

    And it’ll do that.

    How much information is locked away in arcane governmental formats that were written in the days before before the internet was really a thing.

    Another one in the United States, we have a federal agency called the Federal Elections Commission.

    One of the things they do is they publish, they publish funding logs.

    So they tell you who has donated to which campaigns.

    These are in a really bizarre kind of dumb space delimited format with fixed character with columns, which is just about the worst way you can possibly publish data because it’s very difficult to interpret, it’s very difficult to inject.

    Something like a comma separated value table is much easier to ingest.

    This is a result of their software, essentially not really changing much since the early mainframes that was written for.

    And so when they publish the information, which they’re doing correctly, that information, either you have to process it manually as is, or you can pay vendors exorbitant sums of money every month to to work with that information.

    There are in fact, a number of vendors in the election space that can process that data and provide it to you in a CSV format.

    Well, that was then now is now generative AI can do that generative AI can take those logs that those databases are very, very poorly formatted data, and transform them into useful data, transform them into data that you can analyze, you can feed to other pieces of software.

    The point of all this is that if you have an idea, if you have something that you want government data for, and up until now, that government data has been inaccessible, not because the government’s keeping it from you just because it’s in a poor format.

    That’s less of an obstacle today.

    Using tools like chat GPT, for example, or miss straws, mixed all model or any of the generative AI products that are out there.

    You can now use language models to interpret the data, track the data and make it useful to you.

    So if there are particular causes that you care about, if there are particular political positions, if there are elections and races that you care about, that there’s data available, but not in a useful format, partner up with generative AI, unlock the value of that data and start making the changes that you want to see in the world.

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    What’s On My Mind: Should You Buy a Custom GPT?

    Let’s talk more about Custom GPTs this week, because something big is coming: the ability for Custom GPT authors to sell access to their Custom GPTs beginning this coming week.

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    First, if you haven’t been following along, a Custom GPT is a service from OpenAI that allows paying ChatGPT users to create a customized version of ChatGPT. These customized versions contain three major types of functionality that allow for fairly extensive, mostly non-technical customization: custom instructions, knowledge, and actions.

    Custom instructions are system prompts that run behind the scenes in a Custom GPT. They define what the Custom GPT is supposed to do, what rules it should follow, what it shouldn’t do, what outputs it has, etc. These instructions can be extensive, several pages long.

    Knowledge is a form of retrieval augmented generation, a technique for increasing what ChatGPT knows about, especially for information that hasn’t been seen before. A Custom GPT can have up to 20 different databases in a variety of file formats, such as CSV files, plain text, JSON, etc. These knowledge databases give additional context to the Custom GPT; for example, you could upload a book you wrote, and the Custom GPT would be able to reference it when it’s answering questions.

    The third type of customization are actions. These allow a Custom GPT to call out to an API based on the conversation. For example, if you enabled the weather action, and then had a conversation with the Custom GPT asking about the weather, it would call whatever API you provided and return the weather results. It’s vitally important to note that when an action is triggered, a part of your conversation is being sent to a third party provider of some kind.

    Here’s a screen grab of my Custom GPT that I built:

    CSP GPT

    You’ll note the custom instructions at (1), the knowledge at (2), and the actions at (3).

    When you interact with a Custom GPT, it behaves like ChatGPT, and may have different ChatGPT capabilities enabled, shown at (4). Custom GPTs can have web browsing enabled that allow a Custom GPT to access the web via Bing, image generation with the DALL-E image generator, and advanced data analysis using Code Interpreter. These capabilities are parsed internally within the ChatGPT application itself; neither the GPT creator nor the user has to explicitly tell a Custom GPT what to do.

    Okay, so that’s more or less what’s in the box of any Custom GPT. Why would you buy one of these things? Well, there are a couple of reasons.

    First, a Custom GPT may have knowledge that simply isn’t available elsewhere, or is curated in such a way that it would be more time and labor intensive to recreate than it would be to simply buy it.

    Second, a Custom GPT may perform tasks in a way that are better than what you can develop on your own. A Custom GPT programmed with the latest in advanced prompt engineering techniques like priming representations and tree of thought may outperform what your prompts can do, making it a better use of your time to use a Custom GPT than doing it yourself.

    That leaves the one big question we need to answer: how do you know what to buy? There will be no shortage of people selling access to Custom GPTs, and you can expect a significant amount of redundancy in them. There will be dozens, if not hundreds of marketing and content creation Custom GPTs, each claiming to do wondrous things that ChatGPT cannot (which is inherently untrue since they’re literally based on ChatGPT).

    So let’s talk about how we would evaluate a Custom GPT as to whether or not we should buy it, or how to tell the difference from one to the next. There are five considerations I’m looking for that you might want to look for, and unsurprising to anyone, they mirror the Trust Insights 5P framework: purpose, people, proces, platform, and performance.

    First, purpose. Does the Custom GPT specifically align with a purpose in such a way that it’s worth my money instead of my time to build myself? This is critical – like any software purchase, do requirements gathering to ascertain what’s important and what isn’t. If your requirements gathering shows that you’re looking to write blogs in a specific way, there’s a good chance you could build your own Custom GPT instead of buying one. If your requirements gathering shows that you want to write blog posts exactly matching a specific author’s style, and that author has a Custom GPT for that purpose, then the ethical thing to do is buy that author’s Custom GPT.

    Second, people. Who made the Custom GPT? Are they trustworthy? There are at least two obvious ways data can leak from a Custom GPT. One is marked on the screenshot above at (5) – a Custom GPT author who allows a Custom GPT’s data to leak to OpenAI will inherently be sharing your information with OpenAI. Second is in actions at (3) – any time a Custom GPT is sending out data to a third party API, that’s data going somewhere else. Where that data goes is important, so using Custom GPTs made by trustworthy people and companies is a vital box to check.

    Third, process. How was the Custom GPT made? What processes were used in its creation? This is all about asking what the ingredients are inside the Custom GPT – like a nutrition label on a food product, the best Custom GPTs will disclose what they’re made of. Ideally, you get a screenshot of the configuration screen like the one above that doesn’t give away any secret sauce, but you can at least see how it’s wired.

    Equally important, how will it be maintained? Part of the reason to even buy a Custom GPT rather than build your own should be the task of maintaining the Custom GPT. How fresh is its knowledge, and how frequently will that knowledge be refreshed? How tuned in is the creator, so that when OpenAI changes the underlying model, the Custom GPT seller can provide evidence they’ve tested to show their software will continue to work as intended?

    Here’s a key ethical question: does a Custom GPT use data that the creator has a right to use? It’s trivial to download, say, a book written by someone else and put it in a Custom GPT. That Custom GPT then has an expanded context based on the book. It will soon be illegal to use copyrighted data without permission in the EU, and ethically it’s pretty clear that using someone else’s data without their permission doesn’t feel great. If your own work were being incorporated AND SOLD by someone else with you receiving no benefit, you’d probably not be real happy (this, by the way, is the primary argument against generative AI model makers). This is part of process – evaluating what works are part of a Custom GPT. You definitely don’t want to be financially supporting an author who is using others’ works without permission or compensation. (and this will require Custom GPT makers to understand copyright law in their jurisdiction)

    Fourth, platform. As mentioned above, data can leak out of Custom GPTs. Prompt jailbreaks can force language models to spit up source information. A key question to ask of a Custom GPT maker is how much red teaming – the process of trying to break into your own software – was done. How tested was it? When you buy an electrical appliance, it’s customary to look for the Underwriters Laboratories (UL) certification that certifies it’s probably not going to randomly burst into flames. When you buy a food that’s certified halal, you know the processor has been inspected and tested to ensure they’re compliant. There’s no equivalent standard yet in AI (though there are many efforts to come up with one), but at the very least, a software vendor – because that’s what a Custom GPT author is – can provide documentation about how they tested their software.

    Equally important, a Custom GPT author should be precise in explaining how your data is used. Are there actions that use your data? If so, how is that data handled? OpenAI requires the absolute bare minimum from builders – a privacy policy with a working URL – but that’s it. The best Custom GPTs will be like the best food certifications with rigorous documentation about how they use third party platforms.

    And any Custom GPT claiming that it is totally secure or unbiased is flat out lying, because the underlying foundational model is still ChatGPT’s GPT-4 family of models. Custom GPTs inherit all of the benefits and flaws of the foundation they’re built on.

    Finally, performance. Does the Custom GPT actually do what it says it does? How would you know? The burden of proof is on the Custom GPT builder to provide information about how their Custom GPT outperforms stock ChatGPT or a novice effort at building your own. This can be as simple as side-by-side comparisons of outputs so you can see the prompts and the outputs that make a Custom GPT worth the money.

    If you are considering putting one of your Custom GPTs in the GPT Store (or even just sharing it publicly), be sure you’ve done your homework to provide users with the 5Ps I’ve outlined above. Doing so right now is a best practice; when the EU AI Act becomes law, parts of the above process will be mandatory – and any Custom GPT author making money from their Custom GPTs will absolutely have to comply with it, because there’s no geographic restrictions on Custom GPTs.

    If you are considering buying a Custom GPT, take into account each of the 5Ps and ask the provider for their documentation. If you have two Custom GPTs that purport to do the same thing and one of them lacks documentation, it should be pretty clear which one you should buy. Just as you wouldn’t blindly eat a food without a nutrition label (especially if you have allergies), nor should you blindly trust someone else’s AI-led software. And remember they are still built on ChatGPT, so the same rules apply to Custom GPTs as with ChatGPT itself – don’t put in data you don’t want other people to see.

    Will I be putting up any Custom GPTs? I have a couple of candidates that I might put up for free in the GPT Store, just so that I can see how the store functions (apparently, free to use Custom GPTs will be an option), but I don’t see myself offering them for sale. I’d rather have you spend your money on the Generative AI for Marketers course, frankly. It’ll give you more benefit.

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