Allie asks, “Do you have any tips for sharing marketing results like social media and email marketing analytics to a non-tech-savvy staff?”
Most staff in an organization aren’t going to be interested in marketing results unless they work in marketing. Instead, they’re going to want organizational results, so connecting the dots between marketing’s outcomes and results the organization cares about is essential.
You Ask, I Answer: Communicating Marketing Results to Non-Marketers?
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In today’s episode, Ellie asks, do you have any tips for sharing marketing results like social media and email marketing analytics to a non tech savvy staff? Well, here’s the thing.
Does anyone care? Most staff in an organization are not going to be interested in marketing results unless they work in the marketing department because they’ve got other stuff that they’re doing and to a non marketing person’s not going to be clear, what marketing does that helps them with their job right or that helps the organization overall succeed.
People want to look at organizational results, what has happened that benefits the organization overall, or what is marketing doing that is making their life easier.
So if you have somebody in finance, for example, what is what is marketing doing to impact finance in a positive way? If it’s things donations or revenue or e commerce sales or leads or something, the biggest challenge for all of us is to communicate results.
That means something to the person we’re talking to.
One of the, one of the complications we run into a lot is that we care as we should, very much about the work that we’re doing, and the results we’re getting.
That’s a good thing we want we want to care about our jobs, right? That’s generally accepted as a wonderful thing.
But nobody else does.
And it’s not their job to it’s not their role to understand how it roll or what we deliver to the organization.
And so, we have to figure out how to transform what our results are into language that means something to them.
And that means, particularly when it comes to things like marketing technology, that instead of looking for a technological solution, we have to look for a a human communication solution.
What is that The thing that that person cares about.
That may mean doing a formal exercise like KPI mapping, for example.
Or it may just mean talking with that person and trying to understand what it is that they need.
There’s a concept of user stories that my friend and business partner Katie Robbert talks about a lot, which is sort of the who, what, why, as a CFO, I need information about marketing, to understand marketing’s performance, right.
And being able to write out what it is that each person needs from marketing will greatly help out understanding those what to communicate from from the marketing activities that we’re doing.
Social media, email marketing results, things like that people probably don’t care unless they need something to impress the board of directors with on the assumption that the Board of Directors doesn’t really know or care about those homiletics either.
So what do you have, that somebody else is going to care about? If you have VP of sales, then something like lead generation be very interesting to the VP of Sales like, yeah, I need to feed my sales crew.
I need more leads better leads.
The old Glengarry Glen Ross says the leads are weak.
I mean, I mean better leads, being able to explain to them how you judge lead quality and things like that to somebody in HR.
What is marketing doing to communicate things like open positions and stuff? And how have you helped feed that particular part of the website? So it’s less a question of marketing technology and more question of what is the recipient of the message going to get out of it? Now there are some things you can do from a technological perspective that are better than others.
Using dashboards connected to real time data sources is generally a better thing than static PowerPoints because it gives people the ability to get the results they care about once you’ve researched that, once you found that out, it gives them the ability to get that data better and faster and at their convenience and not yours.
So you can hand them a live dashboard and say, This is yours.
And anytime, anytime you want to know you wake up at 3am, and you want to know an answer, you want to know about these measures, here’s how you get to them.
That tends to be something people appreciate.
But it also has to be something that requires little or no training.
So looking at something like say Google Data Studio, from an end user perspective, is a good tool to use because it looks familiar.
And it should require very little interpretation, very, very little explanation, which means that if you have a dashboard with like 40 things and flashing knobs and stuff all over then that’s not gonna help anybody.
Generally speaking, when you look at an organization and you look at the people in it the average person who does Doesn’t work in marketing is probably gonna really only care about one or two marketing numbers, right? If you’re, you know, the HR person, you’re probably really only going to care about website traffic to the careers part of the website.
And maybe, depending on how that your company hires, maybe you know, number of job applications submitted.
That’s a real simple dashboard, one graphic traffic, one graphic for job applications, and you’re done.
And the person who’s on the other end of that in a day tracker should be to look at that go, I get it.
traffic to our career sections up or traffic to our career section is down.
Part of that exercise is also asking somebody, okay, of the data that I’m going to give you.
What decisions are you going to make with it? If I give you this information about website traffic to your section, the website going up? What decision will you make from it? If the answer is nothing, then valid questions, so do You need that information? Do you need yet another email or another notification? Or another thing on your desk? If all it’s all it’s going to do is clutter up your life more? Or are you going to make a decision on it say, oh, gosh, website traffic is to the HR section is down.
Okay, well, what do we do about it? We run some ads for job openings.
Do we send more emails? Do we increase the size of our employee referral program? That information is what you need in order to help communicate specific marketing results.
Same for social media, right? If you’re monitoring brand reputation, you’re communicating brand sentiment, what decision do you make from that? Who makes that decision? Is that something that belongs in marketing is something belongs in communications? Is it something that belongs in the C suite to say like, Hey, are you our company’s reputation has declined by 2.5 percent and it has this impact.
What do you want to do about it? At the end of the day, nobody makes a decision.
The information didn’t need to be communicated, right? data without decisions is distraction.
Something we’ve said for a long time data without decisions is distraction doesn’t help anything.
Only data that helps you make decisions is useful.
So give keep that in mind as you look at all these results, and the people you’re communicating them to, what decisions are you going to make from this data? If you have follow up questions, leave them in the comments box below.
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I had a chance to sit down with Jason Falls to chat about analytics, data science, and AI. Catch up with us over 35 minutes as we talk about what goes wrong with influencer marketing, why marketers should be cautious with AI, and the top mistake everyone makes with Google Analytics.
Guest Appearance on Digging Deeper With Jason Falls
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Jason Falls
Alright, enough of me babbling. Christopher Penn is here he might be one of the more recognizable voices in the digital marketing world because he and his pal, John Wall are the two you hear on the marketing over coffee podcast. I think that’s in its 14th year. Chris was also one of the cofounders of PodCamp way back before podcasting new wave, which by the way, is actually in its second wave, major wave anyway. He’s also known far and wide for being an analytics and data science guru. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing and working with Chris a number of times over the years and it’s always fun to chat because I come out feeling both overwhelmed with with how much more he knows than me, but also a lot smarter for the experience, Chris, good morning. How are you?
Christopher Penn
I get you know, I’m I’m fine. No one I know is currently in the hospital or morgue. So it’s all good. That’s great.
Jason Falls
So I want to bring people up to speed on how you got to be the analytics ninja you are we can save that real ninja thing for another time. Because for those of you don’t know he is an actual ninja. It’s not just something I throw out there like he’s trained or something I don’t know. But it’s all we’re here to talk about. So, you got your start though in the digital marketing world, I think in the education space, right. Give us that backstory.
Christopher Penn
Yeah, very briefly, education financial services. I joined a start up in 2003, where I was the CIO, the CTO and the guy who cleaned the restroom on Fridays. It was a student loan company and my first foray into digital marketing I was I came in as a technologist to run the web server for an email server and update the website update the web server became update the website you know, fix the email server became send the email newsletter and over the span of seven I basically made the transition into what we now call marketing technology was it had no name back then. And part of that was obviously reporting on what we did, you know, those who have a lot more gray in their hair. Were in the space at the time remember a tool called AWS stats where you had to, you had to manually pull logs from the server and, and render to terrible looking charts. But all that changed in 2005, when a company called Google bought a company called urgent and then rebranded and gave it away as a tool called Google Analytics. And that was the beginning of my analytics journey and has been pretty much doing that ever since in some form, or fashion, because everybody likes to know the results of their work.
Jason Falls
So take me a little bit further back than that though. You entered this startup in 2003, as you know, technologist, but take me back to like, Where did you get your love for analytics data computers, because you and I grew up at roughly about the same time and I didn’t really have access To a lot of computer technology until I was at least probably junior high. So there had to have been some moment in your childhood where you were like,
Ooh, I like doing that what or to come from?
Christopher Penn
That would be when I was seven years old, our family got one of the apple two plus computers that horrendous Bayesian like chocolate brown computer, you know, the super clicky keyboard and the screen screen, two colors black and green. And as of that point, when I realized I really like these things, and more importantly, I could make them do what I wanted them to do.
Jason Falls
So it’s all about control, right?
Christopher Penn
It really is. You know, I was a small kid in school, I got picked on a lot, but I found that information gave me control over myself and more importantly, gave me control over other people. When I was in seventh grade, our school got an apple, two GS in the computer lab, one of many, and the school’s database was actually stored on one of those little three and a half inch floppies. So I at recess one day I went to the lab made a copy of it. took it home because I had the same computer at home. And that was a complete record of 300 students, their grades, their social security number, their medical history, everything because nobody thought of cybersecurity back then, like who in the hell would want this information to begin with? Well, it turns out a curious seventh grader, and just be able to understand that this is what a database is, this is what it does. These are all the threads, I call them that that make up the tapestry of your life. You see them very early on, they just keep showing up over and over again. You know, whenever I talk to younger folks these days and say, like I don’t want I want to do for for my career, like look back at your past, there are threads that are common throughout your history. If you find them, if you look through them, you’ll probably get a sense of what it is that you are meant to be doing.
Jason Falls
So cybersecurity is your fault that we’ve learned. And so I take it you would probably credit maybe your parents for keeping you from taking that data and like stealing everyone’s identity. And, you know, being being a criminal or not. Right?
Christopher Penn
Well, so again, back then, it was so new that nobody thought, Oh, how can you misuse this data, there really wasn’t an application for it right? Back then there was no internet that was publicly accessible. So it’s not like a contact, you know, Vladimir, the Russian identity broker and sell them off for seven bucks apiece. You couldn’t do that back then. So it was more just a curiosity. Now, you know, kids growing up today are like, in a much different world than than we were where that information is even more readily available, but it also has much greater consequences.
Jason Falls
All right, I’m gonna jump over to the comments already because our friend hustling main has jumped in with a good one. Right off the bat. What are but what is his animal what’s what are people’s biggest analytics mistake Google Analytics or other? What should everyone do to set up at a minimum analytics wise is Google Analytics where you start or How would you advise someone who doesn’t know anything about analytics to set up? And what a mistake do people most often make with analytics?
Christopher Penn
The one they most often make is they start data puking. That’s something that Avinash Kaushik says a lot, but I love the expression and it is you get in Google Analytics there are and I counted 510 different dimensions and metrics, you have access to four for the average business, you’re probably going to need five of them, you know, that there’s like three to five you should really pay attention to and they’re different per business. So the number one thing that people do wrong, and that is the starting point, I was talking with my partner and co founder, Katie robear, about this yesterday. Take a sheet of paper, right? You don’t need anything fancy. What are the business goals and measures you care about? And you start writing them from the bottom of the operations follow to the top? And then you ask yourself, well, checkbox. Can I measure this in Google Analytics? Yes or no? So like for a b2b company sales, can I measure that analytics? No, you can’t. Can I measure opportunities? deals? Probably not. No. Can I measure leads? Yes. Okay. Great. That’s where you’re going. analytics journey starts because the first thing you can measure is what goes in Google Analytics. And then you know, you fill in the blanks for the for the rest. If you do that, then it brings incredible clarity to this is what is actually important. That’s what you should be measuring, as opposed to here’s just a bunch of data. When you look at the average dashboard that like that, like, you know, every marketing and PR and ad agency puts together, they throw a bunch of crap on there. It’s like, oh, here’s all these things and impressions and hits and engagements like Yeah, but what does that have to do with like, something that I can take to the bank or get close to taking into the bank? If you focus on the the your operations funnel and figure out where do I map this to, then your dashboards have a lot more meaning? And by the way, it’s a heck of a lot easier to explain it to a stakeholder, when you say you generated 40% more leads this month, rather than get 500 new impressions and 48 new followers on Twitter and 15% engagement and they’re like, what does that mean? But they go I know what leads are? Yep,
Jason Falls
that’s true. And just to clarify, folks To translate here, probably the smartest man in the world just gave you advice that I always give people, which is keep it simple, stupid. Like, yeah, drill it down. And I say keep it simple, stupid so that I understand it. That’s that’s my goal and saying that phrase. But if you boil it down to the three or four things that matter, well, that’s what matters.
Christopher Penn
Yeah. Now, if you want to get fancy,
Unknown Speaker
Oh, here we go.
Christopher Penn
Exactly. If you want to get fancy, you don’t have to necessarily do that. There are tools and software that will take all the data that you have, assuming that it’s in an orderly format, and run that analysis for you. Because sometimes you’ll get I hate the word because it’s so overused, but you will, it does actually, there are synergies within your data. There are things that combined together have a greater impact than individually apart. The example I usually give is like if you take your email open rates and your social media engagement rates, you may find that those things together may generate a better lead generation rate. Then either one alone, you can’t see that you and I cannot see that in the data. It’s just, you know that much data that much math, it’s not that something our brains can do. But software can do that particularly. There’s one package I love using called IBM Watson Studio. And in there, there’s a tool called auto AI, and you give it your data, and it does its best to basically build you a model saying, This is what we think are the things that go together best. It’s kind of like, you know, cooking ingredients, like it automatically figures out what combination of ingredients go best together. And when you have that, then suddenly your dashboards start to really change because you’re like, Okay, we need to keep an eye on these, even though this may not be an intuitive number, because it’s a major participant and that number you do care about.
Unknown Speaker
Very nice.
Jason Falls
One of the many awesome things about that the marketing world not just me, but the marketing world loves about you is how willing you are to answer people’s questions. In fact, that’s basically your blog. Now your whole series of you ask I answer is almost all of what you post these days, but it’s really simple to do that. You have an area of expertise, right? People ask you questions, your answers are great blog content. Has anyone ever stumped you?
Christopher Penn
Oh, yeah, people stopped me all the time. People stopped me because they have questions that where there isn’t nearly enough data to answer the question well, or there’s a problem that is challenging. I feel like you know, what, I don’t actually know how to solve that particular problem. Or it’s an area where there’s so much specialization that I don’t know enough. So one area that, for example, I know not nearly enough about is the intricacies of Facebook advertising, right. There are so many tips and tricks, I was chatting with my friend and hopeless you who runs social Squibb, which is a Facebook ads agency, and I have a saint, right, like, I’m running this campaign. I’m just not seeing the results. Like, can you take a look at it, we barter back and forth. Every now and again. I’ll help her with like tag management analytics, and she’ll help me with Facebook ads, she opens a campaign looks it goes, Well, that’s wrong. That’s wrong. That’s wrong. fix these things. Turn this up, turn that off. Like Two minutes later, the campaign is running the next day later, it has a some of the best results I’ve ever gotten on Facebook. I did not know that I was completely stumped by the software itself. But the really smart people in business and in the world, have a guild advisory councils, a close knit group of friends something with different expertise, so that every time you need, like, I need somebody who’s creative, I’ll go to this person, I need somebody who knows Facebook as I’ll go to this person. If you don’t have that, make that one of the things you do this year, particularly now, this time of year, where you’re sitting at home in a pandemic. Hopefully, you’re wearing a mask when you’re not. And you have the opportunity to network with and reach out to people that you might not have access to otherwise, right because everyone used to be like in conference rooms and it means all day long. And now we’re all just kind of hanging out on video chat going out why don’t go do with it. That’s a great opportunity to network and get to know people in a way that is much lower pressure, especially for people who, you know, were crunched on time, they can fit 15 minutes in for a zoom call, you might be able to build a relationship that really is mutually beneficial.
Jason Falls
The biggest takeaway from this show today, folks, we’ll be Crispin gets stumped. Okay? I don’t feel so bad. So that’s,
Christopher Penn
that’s, that’s good. If you’re not stumped, you’re doing it wrong. That’s a good point. If you’re not stumped, you’re not learning. I am stumped. Every single day, I was working on a piece of client code just before we signed on here. And I’m going I don’t know what the hell is wrong with this thing. But there’s something erroring out, you know, like in line 700 of the code. I gotta go fix that later. But it’s good. It’s good because it tells me that I am not bored and that I have not stagnated. If you are not stumped, you are stagnated and your career is in trouble.
Jason Falls
There you go. So you are the person that I typically turn to to ask measurement analytics questions. So you You’re You’re my guild council member of that. And so I want to turn around a scenario, something that I would probably laugh at you, for other people as a hypothetical here, just so that they can sort of apply. here’s, here’s, you know, what Crispin thinks about this, or this is a way that he would approach this problem. And I don’t know that you’ve ever solved this problem, but I’m going to throw it out there anyway, and try to stump you maybe a little bit here on the show. So on on this show, we try to zero in on creativity, but advertising creative, whether campaigns or individual elements are kind of vague, or at least speculative in terms of judging which creative is, let’s say, more impactful or more successful. And the reason I say that is you have images, you have videos, you have graphics, you have copy, a lot of different factors go into it, but you also have distribution placement, targeting all these other factors that are outside of the creative itself, that affect performance. So so much goes into a campaign campaign being successful. I think it’s hard to judge the creative itself. So if I were to challenge you to help cornet or any other agency or any other marketer out there that has creative content, images, videos, graphics, copy, whatever. So, put some analytics or data in place to maybe compare and contrast creative, not execution, just the creative. Where would you start with that?
Christopher Penn
You can’t just do couplet because it literally is all the same thing. If you think back to Bob stones, 1968 direct marketing framework, right? lists offer creative in that order. The things that mattered you have the right list is already in our modern times the right audience. Do you have the right offer that appeals to that audience right if we have a bourbon, bourbon crowd, right, a bourbon audience, and then my offer is for light beer. That’s not going to go real well? Well, depending on the light beer, I guess, but if it’s, you know, it’s something that I really had to swear in this show are now Sure. In 1976 Monty Python joke American beers like sex of the canoe, it’s fucking close to water. You have that compared to the list, and you know, that’s gonna be a mismatch, right? So those two things are important. And then the creative. The question is, what are the attributes that you have is that was the type, what is what’s in it, when it comes to imagery that things like colors and shapes and stuff. And you’re going to build out essentially a really big table of all this information, flight dates, day of week, hour of day. And then you have at the right hand side, the response column, which is like the performance. Again, the same process use with Google Analytics you would use with this, assuming you can get all the data, you stick it into a machine like, you know, IBM Watson Studio, and say, You tell me what combination of variables leads to the response, the highest level of response, and you’re gonna need a lot of data to do this. The machines will do that. And then will spit back the answer and then you have to look at it and and and prove it and make sure that it came up with something unintelligible. But once you do, you’ll see which attributes from the creative side actually matter what Animation, did it feature a person? What color scheme was it again, there’s all this metadata that goes with every creative, that you have to essentially tease out and put into this analysis. But that’s how you would start to pick away at that. And then once you have that, essentially, it’s a regression analysis. So you have a correlation, it is then time to test it, because you cannot say, for sure, that is the thing until you that’s it it says, ads that are that are read in tone and feature two people drinking seem to have the highest combination of variables. So now you create a test group of just you know, ads of two people drinking and you see does that outperform? You know, and ads have a picture of a plant and you know, two dogs and a cat and chicken and see, is that actually the case? And if you do that and you prove you know, with its statistical significance, yep. To an attitude people drinking is the thing. Now you have evidence that you’ve done this. It’s the scientific method. It’s the same thing that we’ve been doing for you. It was asking For millennia, it’s just now we have machines to assist us with a lot of the data crunching.
Jason Falls
Okay. So when you’re narrowing in on statistical significance to say, Okay, this type of ad works better. And this is a mistake I think a lot of people make is they’ll do you know, some light testing, so maybe split testing, if you will. And then they’ll say, Okay, this one performs better. Let’s put all of our eggs in that basket. I wonder where your breaking point is for statistical significance, because if I’ve got, let’s say, five different types of creative, and I do as many A B tests as I need to do to figure out which one performs better, I’ve always been of the opinion, you don’t necessarily put all your eggs in one basket. Because just because this performs better than this doesn’t mean that this is irrelevant. It doesn’t mean that this is ineffective, it just means this one performs better. And maybe this one performs better with other subgroups or whatever. So what’s your Cygnus statistical significance tipping point to say? All eggs go in one basket versus not
Christopher Penn
Well, you raise a good point. That’s something that our friend and colleague Tom Webster over Edison research says, which is if you do an A B split test and you get a 6040 test, right? You run into what he calls the optimization trap where you continually optimize for smaller and smaller audiences until you make one person deliriously happy and everyone else hates you. When in reality, version, a goes to 60% of slides and version beats goes to 40% of the audience. If you throw away version B, you’re essentially pissing off 40% of your audience, right? You’re saying that group of people doesn’t matter. And no one thinks Tom says this, would you willingly throw away 40% of your revenue? Probably not. In terms of like AB statistical testing, I mean, there’s any number of ways you can do that. And the most common is like p values, you know, testing p values to see like is the p value below 0.05 or below, but it’s no longer a choice you necessarily need to make depending on how sophisticated your marketing technology is. If you have the ability to segment your audience to two Three, four or five pieces and deliver content that’s appropriate for each of those audiences, then why throw them away? Give the audience in each segment what it is they want, and you will make them much happier. Malcolm Gladwell had a great piece on this back in, I think it was the tipping point when he was talking about coffee, like you, and this isn’t his TED Talk to which you can watch on YouTube, is he said, If you know if you ask people what they want for coffee, everyone says dark, rich, hearty roast, but he said about 30% of people want milky week coffee. And if you make a coffee for them, the satisfaction scores go through the roof and people are deliriously happy, even though they’re saying the opposite of what they actually want. So in this testing scenario, why make them drink coffee that they actually wouldn’t want? Why not give them the option if it’s a large enough audience and that is a constraint on manpower and resources?
Jason Falls
Now, you talked about Tom Webster who is at Edison research and doesn’t A lot of polling and surveying as a part of what he does, I know you have a tendency to deal more with the ones and zeros versus the, you know, the human being element of whatnot. But I want to get your perspective on this. I got in a really heated argument one time with a CEO, which I know not smart on my part. But about the efficiency in sample sizes, especially for human surveys and focus groups, he was throwing research at me that was done with like, less than 50 people like a survey of less than 50 people. I’ve never been comfortable with anything less than probably 200 or so to account for any number of factors, including diversity of all sorts, randomness, and so on. If you’re looking at a data set of survey data, which I know you typically look at, you know, millions and millions of lines of data at a time, so we’re not talking about that kind of volume. But if you were designing a survey or a data set for someone, what’s too little of a sample size for you to think, Okay, this is this is going to be relevant. It depends. It depends on the population size you’re serving. So if you’re serving if you got a survey of 50 people, right You’re surveying the top 50 CMOS, guess what, you need only 50 people, right?
Christopher Penn
You don’t really need a whole lot more than that because you’ve literally got 100% of the data of the top 50 CMOS. There are actual calculators online, you’ll find all over the place called your sample size calculators and is always dependent on the population size and how well the population is is mixed. Again, referring to our friend Tom, he likes to do talks about you know, soup, right, if you have a, a tomato soup, and it’s stirred Well, you only need a spoonful to test the entire pot of soup, right. On the other hand, if you have a gumbo, there’s a lot of lumpy stuff in there. And one spoonful may not tell you everything you need to know about that gumbo, right? Like oh, look, there’s a shrimp, this whole thing made of shrimp Nope. And so a lot goes into the data analysis of how much of a sample Do you need to reach the population size in a representative way where you’re likely to hit on All the different factors. That’s why when you see national surveys like the United States, you can get away with like 1500 people or 2000 people to represent 330 million, as long as they’re randomized and sampled properly. When you’re talking about, you know, 400 people or 500 people, you’re going to need, like close to 50% of the audience because there are, there’s enough chance that this is that one crazy person. That’s gonna throw the whole thing up. But that one crazy person is the CEO of a Fortune 50 company, right? And you want to know that the worst mistakes though, are the ones where you’re sampling something that is biased, and you make a claim that it’s not biased. So there are any number of companies HubSpot used to be especially guilty of this back in the day, they would just run a survey to their email list and say this represents the view of all marketers, nope, that represent the people who like you. And there’s a whole bunch of people who don’t like you and don’t aren’t on your mailing list and won’t respond to a survey. And even in cases like that, if you send out a survey to your mailing list The people who really like you are probably going to be the ones to respond. So that’s even a subset of your own audience that is not representative, even of your audience because there’s a self selection bias. Market research and serving as something that Tom says all the time is a different discipline is different than data analytics because it uses numbers and math, but in a very different way. It’s kind of like the difference between, you know, prose and poetry. Yes, they both use words and letters, but they use them in a very different way. And you’re one is not a substitute for the other.
Jason Falls
Right. Wow. I love the analogy. And Chad Holsinger says he loves the soup analogy, which gives me the opportunity to tell people my definition of soup, which I think is important for everybody to understand. I’ve never liked any kind of soup because soup to me is hot water with junk shit in it. So there you go. I’m checking in a couple of the new chip Griffin back at the beginning said this is going to be good. Hello, Chip. Good to see you. Chip had a really great look for chip on the Facebook’s. He had a really great live stream yesterday that I caught just A few seconds of and I still want to go back and watch for all of you folks in the agency world about how to price your services. And and so I was like, Oh man, I really need to watch this, but I gotta go to this call. So I’m gonna go back and watch that chip. Thanks for chiming in here. On your Rosina is here today. She’s with restream restream Yo, there you go. So Jason online slash Restream. For that Kathy calibers here again. Hello, Kathy. Good to see you again. Peter Cook is here as well. Peter Cook is our Director of interactive at cornet so good to see him chiming in and supporting the franchise. Okay, Chris, back to my hypothetical similar scenario but not as complicated and don’t think you’ve got a friend who owns a business size is kind of irrelevant here. Because I think this applies no matter what they want to invest in influencer marketing, which as you know, is one of my favorite topics because I get the book I’m working on. What advice would you give your friend to make sure they design a program to know what they’re getting out of their influencer so they can understand Which influencers are effective or efficient? which ones aren’t and or is influencer marketing good for them or not?
Christopher Penn
So it’s a really there’s a bunch of questions to unpack in there. First of all, what’s the goal? The program, right is if you look at the customer journey, where is this program going to fit, and it may fit in multiple places. But you’ll need different types of influences for different parts of the customer journey. There’s three very broad categories of influences. I wrote about this in a book back in 2016, which is out of print now, and I have to rewrite at some point. But there’s there’s essentially the, again, this is the sort of the expert, there’s the mayor, and then there’s the loud mouth, right? Most of the time when people talk about influences they think it aloud mouth the Kardashians of the world, like, how can I get, you know, 8 million views on my, you know, perfumer, unlicensed pharmaceutical. But there’s this whole group in the middle called these mayor’s these are the folks that B2B folks really care about. These are the folks that like, hey, Jason, do you know somebody at HP that I could talk to To introduce my brand, right I don’t need an artist 8 million I need you to connect me with the VP of Marketing at HP so that I can hopefully win a contract. That’s a really important influencer. And it’s one you don’t see a lot because there’s not a lot of very big splash. There’s no sexiness to it. So So yeah, let me send an email, and I’ll connect you and they’ll eight and 8 million deal later, like holy crap, do. I owe Jason in case of bourbon, and then give me three or four cases of murder. And then there’s then there’s the expert, right, which is kind of what you’re doing here, which is, there are some people again, for those folks who have a lot of gray hair, they remember back in the in the 70s and 80s. There’s whole ad series, you know that when EF Hutton talks, everyone listens. Right? The bank, the advisory firm, and it’s kind of the same thing. There are folks who don’t necessarily have huge audiences, but they have the right audience. You know, I hold up like my friend Tom Webster is one of those like when he says something when he read something, I’m gonna go read it. I don’t need I don’t even need to, to think like, Do I have time to read this? Nope. I just got to go and read what he has to say. And so depending on the the goal of your campaign, you need to figure out which of those three influencers types you want and what your expected outcome is. Second after that is how are you going to measure it? What is the the measurement system if you’re doing awareness, you should be benchmarking certainly giving your influencers you know, coded links to track direct traffic, but also you’re going to want to look at branded search and and co co branded search. So if I’m, if I search for yo Jason falls and Chris Penn, how many times that search for in the last month after do the show, if it’s zero, then you know, we didn’t really generate any interest in the show. If on the other hand, I see that’s spike up even for a little while, okay, people watched and or have heard about this and want to go look for it. So branded organic search sort of at the top. If you’re not using affiliate links, and affiliate type style tracking with your influencers and your goal is lead generation, you’ve missed the boat, you’ve completely missed the boat. And you know, for those for those like you know, may or may not influencers that’s where you’re going to track that directly into CRM like hey, Jason referred you know Patricia to me over HP you just track that code in your CRM and then later on because he did that, did that deal close? Or do we even was she even receptive like because you can have a terrible sales guy who just sucks It’s not your fault as the influencer for referring somebody who then the sales guy completely hosed the deal but at least you got the at bat. So for influencer marketing it’s it’s knowing the types having clear measures upfront and baking that into the contract again, this is something that I’ve seen brands do horrendously bad at they’ll the influences push for activity based metrics. I’m going to put up eight Facebook posts and four photos on Instagram. I remember I was doing work for an automotive client a couple years ago and they engage this one fashion influencer said I’m going to be a do for Instagram photos and and eight tweets and it’s gonna cost you140,000 for the day and that was it. And the brand’s like, sure sign us up and like are you insane and she You’re not even just doing a complicated regression analysis after the fact we did an analysis on, you know, even just the brand social metrics and it didn’t move the needle along the person got great engagement on their account. But you saw absolutely no crossover. And the last part is the deliverables, what is it you’re getting? So the measurements are part of the deliverables, but you have to get the influence just to put in writing, here’s what I’m delivering to you. And it’s more than just activity, it’s like you’re going to get for example, in a brand takeover and influence takes over a brand account, you should see a minimum of like 200 people cross over because they should have that experience from previous engagements they, they probably know they can get like 500 or thousand people to cross over with a sign the line for 200 they know though that they’ll nail it. Again, these are all things that you have to negotiate with the influencer and probably their agent, and it’s gonna be a tough battle. But if they’re asking for money and asking for a lot of money, you have every right to say what am I getting for my money and if they are not comfortable giving answers, you probably have some Who’s not worth worth the fight?
Jason Falls
Great advice. So I know you do a lot. A lot of the work you’re doing now with Trust Insights is focused on artificial intelligence. And you’ve got a great ebook, by the way on
AI for marketers, which I’ll drop a link to in the
show notes. So people can find that, how is AI affecting brands and businesses now that maybe we don’t even realize what are the possibilities for businesses to leverage AI for their marketing success?
Christopher Penn
So AI is this kind of a joke? Ai is only found in PowerPoints to the people who actually practice it’s called machine learning, which is somewhat accurate. Artificial Intelligence is just a way of doing things faster, better and cheaper, right, that’s at the end of the day. It’s like spreadsheets. I often think when I hear people talking about AI in these mystical terms, why did you talk about spreadsheets the same way 20 years ago, like this is going to this mystical thing that will fix our business, probably not. At the end of the day. It really is just a bunch of math, right? It’s stats probability, some calculus and linear algebra. And it’s all on either classifying or predicting something. That’s really all it does at the end of the day, whether it’s an image, whether it is video, what no matter what brands are already using it even they don’t know they’re using it. They’re already using it. Like if you use Google Analytics on a regular basis, you are using artificial intelligence because it’s a lot built into the back end. If using Salesforce or HubSpot, or any of these tools. There’s always some level of machine learning built in, because that’s how these companies can scale their products. Where it gets different is are you going to try to use the technology above and beyond what the vendor gives you? Are you going to do some of these more complicated analyses are going to try and take the examples we talked about earlier, from Google Analytics and stuff that into IBM Watson Studio and see if its model comes up with something better? That’s the starting point, I think, for a lot of companies is to figure out, is there a use case for something that is very repetitive, or something that we frankly, just don’t have the ability to figure out but a tool does. Can we start there? The caution is And the warning is, there’s a whole bunch number one, this is all math. It’s not magic AI is math magic. If you can’t do regular math, you’re not going to be able to do with AI. Ai only knows what you give it right is called machine learning for a reason, because machines are learning from the data we give it, which means the same rules that applies last 70 years in computing apply here, garbage in, garbage out. And there is a very, very real risk in AI particularly about any kind of decision making system, that you are reinforcing existing problems because you’re feeding the existing data in that already has problems, you’re going to create more of those same problems, because that’s what the machine learned how to do. Amazon saw this two years ago, when they trained an HR screening system to look at resumes, and it stopped hiring women immediately. Why cuz you fed it a database of 95% men, of course, it’s going to stop hiring women. You didn’t think about the training data you’re sending it given what’s happening in The world right now and with things like police brutality and with systemic racism, everybody has to be asking themselves, am I feeding our systems data that’s going to reinforce problems? I was at a conference the mahr tech conference. Last year, I saw this vendor that had this predictive customer matching system four, and they were using Dunkin Donuts as an example. And it brought up this map of the city of Boston, then, you know, there are dots all over red dots for ideal customers, black dots for not ideal customers. And, again, for those of you who are older, you probably have heard the term redlining. This is where banks in the 30s would draw lines on a map red line saying we’re not gonna lend to anybody in these predominantly black parts of the city. This software put up Boston said, Here’s where all your ideal customers were, and you look at Roxbury, Dorchester, matapan ash bond, all black dots, I’m like, Are you fucking kidding me? You’re telling me there’s not a single person in these areas that doesn’t drink that no one drinks Dunkin Donuts, coffee. You’re full of shit. You’re totally full of shit. What you have done. You have redlined these these predominately black areas of the city for marketing purposes. I was at another event two years ago in Minneapolis. And I was listening to it an insurance company say, we are not permitted to discriminate on policy pricing and things like that we’re not permitted to that by law. So what would you do to get around that is we only market to white sections of the city is effectively what they said, I’m like, I don’t believe you just said that out loud. I’m never doing business with you. But the danger with all these systems with AI in particular is it helps us it’s like coffee, it helps us make our mistakes faster, and then bigger. And we got to be real, real careful to make sure that we’re not reinforcing existing problems as we apply these technologies. Now, when you start small, like, Can I figure out you know, what gets me better leads in Google Analytics that’s relatively safe, but the moment you start touching in on any kind of data at the individual level, you run some real risks of of reinforcing existing biases and you don’t want to be doing that for any number of reasons is the easiest one is it’s illegal.
Jason Falls
Yeah, that’s good. Well, if people watching or listening, didn’t know why I love Crispin before they do now, because holy crap we could. It’s a master’s thesis every time I talk to you and I always learned something great. Thank you so much for spending some time with us this morning. Tell people I’ve got links to copy and paste but tell people where they can find you on the interwebs.
Christopher Penn
two places to the easiest to go Trust. insights.ai is my company and our blog and all the good stuff there. We have a pocket weekly podcast there too called In-Ear Insights. And then my personal website, Christopher, Penn calm, easiest. You find all the stuff there and you can find your way to all the other channels from those places. But those are the two places to go Trust insights.ai and Christopher Penn calm. That’s great. Chris,
Jason Falls
thank you so much for taking some time and sharing some knowledge with us today. Always great to talk to you, man. You too Take care, sir. All right, Christopher pin want help solving
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In today’s episode Claire asks, What’s your current morning video production process look like? Well, I haven’t updated this since about 2018.
So a lot has changed since then a lot of stayed the same.
Some things you’re going to need upfront first, you’re going to need to have the Camtasia software or the video editor of your choice I use Camtasia does an amazing job for being able to record stuff.
You will need a text editor of some kind, because you doing a lot of editing of text, you’re going to need some services.
So I use a service called otter.ai, which is for transcripts and closed captions.
I use the Libsyn podcasting platform, which is where the audio host is hosted.
I use YouTube and I use a couple utilities one is called FFmpeg.
Which is a free command line utility software for the for Mac, Windows and Linux.
And on the Macintosh uses a piece of software called homebrew that allows you to install these command line utilities.
You’re also going to need layout need, but some sort of note taking system that can organize and store notes.
And one of the most powerful pieces of software is a keyboard macro generator, I use one called Alfred for the Mac.
I know there are similar ones like text expander, for the PC that you can use that do the exact same thing.
They fundamentally allow you to store clips of text.
So let’s look at the process.
We first begin by getting a questions get this here’s yesterday’s question.
I’ll start by writing the title, get the question in place and then I read out a short answer as the starting point.
We’re going to need this shortly.
The next step is to record the video.
So here’s yesterday’s episode.
in Camtasia.
I always render to a local file don’t use these other options.
They just take too long.
Rendering to a local file is easiest.
I use them main concept mp4 in Camtasia, because it is built smallest file size while still delivering decent quality options wise I typically do either 24 or 29.
They’re good balanced file size, smoothing audio encoding.
Now to save time, I’m not going to rent a video, that would be silly.
But that’s Camtasia in a nutshell, if you line up your stuff, one important thing about this whole process is that there’s a lot of things that you assemble beforehand.
So for example, I have my title sequence, I built that in Camtasia as well and rendered it to a single straight video and that just stays as as a part of the template in the editing software.
I have the my lower third here, which is the call to action, and I have a closer video as well.
Having those templates in place allows me to then take out you know that day’s video and move this up here.
I’m going to mute this later.
And be able to stick new video in here and do it very quickly.
I don’t have to rebuild all these pieces really is just just like a template.
So once the video is done, what happens? Well, if we go to my desktop here, we see there’s yesterday’s video.
Right, our next step is to turn that video into audio because audio is really important for things like the podcast as well as the transcript.
So using the command line tool, let’s go to the desktop here.
And FFmpeg is the tool that you use.
There is no interface for it is purely a command line tool.
So there’s the video file, I want it to reduce it to one audio channel.
So AC one so converting from stereo to mono, like I said, really is just a talking head video.
I want to set the variable quality down to two which when you listen to it for the spoken word is fine.
If this was a musical performance, this would be an appalling thing to do.
But it’s not it’s it’s just a spoken word and it’s intended for use in like the car and stuff.
I don’t know To convert that to an mp3 What did I do wrong there? Oh, I forgot the I forgot the I command.
There we go.
And you’ll see that’ll take that yesterday’s video about a nine minute video or so it’s going to take go through, it’s going to convert it into an mp3 file and I’ve got my mp3 file.
Depending on how you use services like Libsyn and stuff, you may be able to upload straight to your FTP server there as opposed to going to the web interface.
Either way is fine.
Let’s go ahead and go to the browser.
One of the shortcuts that I use that saves me a tremendous amount of time is the ability to trigger multiple changes at once.
So let’s look at what this looks like.
Go ahead and pull up Alfred here.
If I go to my workflows Have this which will open up all these different web pages plus multiple apps at the same time so that I can get everything done in one shot.
So what this looks like is pretty straightforward.
You’ll see, it’ll open up a bunch of tabs, my FTP client opens up at the same time, my, my screen, so I snag a screen capture software opens up each time, open up my text editors.
So a bunch of things happen all at once again, saves time.
Remember, I said that we need to have the text file handy.
So you take that your title and that it gets swapped in here.
And this is this file becomes now the YouTube thumbnail so I’m going to drag that to the desktop.
And also is going to become part of the blog post.
So first things first, we want to make sure we upload our mp3 file So you just drag that in.
I did that yesterday.
Typically, for every recorded minute of audio, it’s gonna take you probably about a minute of processing time.
So if your video is like 20 minutes long, bear in mind, it’s gonna take about that long for the software to process it.
While that’s happening, it’s a great time to, again, take your text editor where you’ve, you’ve done all the writing, take your copy, take our answer, paste that there.
And we will want to get the header image, drop that in.
Again, one of the nice things about Alfred the ability for it to oops, to store multiple clipboards so I can go back in time and use my pasted text, insert that into the post.
There we go.
So That’s my header image.
Now again, another productivity shortcut.
Those text snippets are going to come in real handy because I need to have YouTube, the audio and a place for the transcript.
So I have all these things stored as snippets.
I hit two keys on the keyboard, it fills in the rest of the blog post.
Now, let’s go ahead and start uploading to YouTube.
Drag in our file here.
Again, same multiple clipboard.
Can I move this to the screen? Yeah.
So there’s my multiple clipboard, right? I can push in my title, push in my text.
And now another text snippet.
I have one for YouTube that fills in all the calls to action I want on my YouTube video.
We’re going to copy that shortcut.
Go back here.
Paste it right in the template.
Copy.
Now it takes care of the embed It takes care of the link to the video with my mp3 file Libsyn allows me allows you to just upload audio files.
So I will take this mp3 file, copy the name of it and drag it and drop it here again, I did that yesterday, I don’t want to duplicate it.
So I’m gonna move that out.
And then I paste in the name of the file.
And now I’ve got my mp3 audio there.
So that takes care of being able to have the linked audio there.
Remember that with WordPress, when you link an audio file and mp3 file, it automatically turns your blog feed into a podcast feed.
There’s very little additional work you need to do in order for it to work.
Next, we’ll go through and obviously set our categories This one was from yesterday.
So this was analytics and marketing and research.
I think were the topics yesterday so The next thing we’re going to do is we’re going to go to our file here, I’m going to do two exports.
In otter one, we’re going to export the raw text itself.
I want this as a monologue and an auto, we’re going to take that bring into a text editor.
Now, I have a shortcut.
Again, no surprise here that allows me to take that big text and basically it just adds two line breaks after every period, so that it reads a little easier on a cup.
Cut that out of here, the text editor, go back to our blog post.
There’s our machine generated text transcript now a nice big fat blog post.
Second thing we’re going to do is export the SRT file.
This is the closed captions file.
Very, very important file.
In YouTube, go to YouTube here.
Yep, I don’t process a duplicate of one already done.
Let’s go ahead and close this and do a Just open up yesterday’s.
So I’ve got my anywhere.
Remember that thumbnail I made in for the blog post header because of its format.
It just goes right here in the YouTube thumbnail.
So now I’ve got the consistent thumbnail, reuse the same piece of code.
After this, one of the things that I’ve done saved myself time is I have YouTube keyword lists that I put together over this over the years.
So it’s not something that’s immediate for all these different topics.
So being able to go in and to select and copy and paste them right into YouTube saves time, I can tag it and have it be mostly correct.
After that, we upload your our SRT files, right so our subtitles we load those subtitles up.
In this case, I’ve already done it but it’s just connected to the SRT file.
And this allows you to have English by YouTube, YouTube will give precedence and preference to the SRT files that you upload versus the ones that automatically does.
If you don’t upload a closed caption, it will try to do a transcript of it.
This is okay if you’re not ever seeing anything that has any kind of jargon or specialized words, it is not great.
You’ve seen some pretty hilarious translation fails on YouTube.
When you use a service like otter, you have the ability to define your own Dictionary of words that you use a lot that are more jargony that will get it correct inside YouTube.
Again, super important that you do that because a part of the reason for doing this is so that you have final keyword text inside the video itself.
Google will analyze the video and and identify those words and phrases and use it to help match your video in the recommendation engine.
So you want that customized transcript as as best as possible.
Okay, so let’s assume that the YouTube video is has finished loading Which to has, in this case, our next step is to upload to LinkedIn.
I have my personal profile, I have the company profile, and I have the podcast profile.
I’m going to load the video.
I’m gonna select our video here.
Edit.
Generally speaking, if a service like LinkedIn gives you the option to do things like load closed captions, you want to do that right.
So I’m going to use my closed caption file there.
If you have a thumbnail that you want to use, like we do, you can go ahead and use that looks nice.
And then you fire up our old clipboard, remember, our friendly clipboard, oops, that’s the transcript.
I don’t want that.
And then again, more shortcuts have the ability to fire off these shortcuts.
You may have to trim down some of your text in order to fit your shortcuts in.
But then you repeat that and again, one of the nice things that you can do is you can have many, many, many of these different shortcuts.
So if you have, like I have one for Trust Insights, that spits out our stuff there and one for marketing over coffee.
Each time I go through LinkedIn, on these different profiles, I upload the video.
The first half of the post is the tech snippet, the summary and the second half of the different calls to action, so that it’s contextually appropriate for the page that I’m on.
So once that’s done, then we can see just go through and validate the blog post.
You’ve hit publish on YouTube at this point.
So you’ve got your post.
You’ve got your video preview, which in this case is not working cuz we abandon it.
We got our podcast review.
We’ve got our calls to action, we got our machine generated transcript.
At this point, you hit go right, you hit Publish.
I’m not going to do that again, because this is literally a duplicate of yesterday’s post.
We’ll actually delete that And once you’ve got your post then so question of just taking it and loading into a system like Agorapulse to fire up Agorapulse hit our Publish button.
And you start choosing your networks and obviously all the stuff that you want to, to share from beginning to end, this process, if you’ve got, if you’ve done the groundwork to establish the templates, the keyword lists the graphic look all these different things.
The process takes 35 to 45 minutes a day, is what it takes to run this whole thing from beginning to end.
But if you get in the habit of it and you get good at it, and you have all the necessary little bits to make it work.
It’s very efficient and it allows you to create a lot of content very, very quickly.
So if you do a, like, you know, live streams, it actually is even easier depending on your live streaming software.
So I use a piece of software called OBS open broadcast studio, open broadcast studio, one of the really nice things that it has built into it, bring it up on screen here Whoa, that one too is you has the ability to when you’re doing your outputs to record a video right you so you can take your videos and record them locally on your machine and you can choose the format like mp4 is probably the best format to save as.
And what happens when you do that then of course, you get the video from your stream right on your desktop and that’s what you pop right into Camtasia saves you a tremendous amount of time, no monkeying around with you know trying to rip files off of YouTube to save a file locally.
If your streaming software does not allow you to do that.
There is a tool called YouTube DL.
Let’s bring that up here.
And YouTube dl is a command line program it a lot again, like FFmpeg that allows you to take a page and rip the video from it as long as it’s public.
So if you have been streaming on Facebook, you would use YouTube dl and, and whatever the Facebook URL is to download that video and into a local format and then you pop that into Camtasia.
So that’s the process from beginning to end.
Go back, rewatch it, see how the different pieces interact with each other It does.
We will take your time to get up to speed but once you’re at speed, it’s it’s very clean.
You can also obviously outsource any part of if you have an agency or assistant or something Feel free to show them this video and they can follow it As many of these steps as mixed as it makes sense for their own workflow, just remember to be consistent about it.
Right.
Once you got a process in place, it’s easy to follow the recipe.
It’s like, like baking.
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Take care.
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We read businesses, marketers, CMOs, and authors writing about marketing strategy, about which strategies are working and which aren’t. But have we ever asked, “what is the purpose of marketing strategy?”
Defining Marketing Strategy
For the purposes of this article, let’s define strategy using the standard definition in Leading Innovation:
Strategy is the menu. Tactics are the cookbook.
Why Marketing Strategy?
In digital marketing, our environment is constantly changing. Yesterday’s SEO methods might be completely contrary to today’s, as has happened many times. Yesterday’s guidance on how to effectively use Facebook might change a minute after I publish this blog post thanks to a News Feed algorithm change. In that sort of environment of unpredictable, frequent change, it’s not out of the question to ponder why we need strategy as digital marketers. Wouldn’t it be better just to focus on keeping our tactics current, rather than worry about strategy?
In short, no. Strategy is essential because it serves two core purposes: repeatability and scale.
Marketing Strategy Is Repeatable
Strategy is reusable. It may require adjustment or modification, but having a strategy as a starting point makes it easier to replicate results. Without strategy, we have to re-invent the wheel every time we want to do something. A strategy gives us a template for where to start the next time a similar problem appears.
If we use the analogy of strategy as a menu, think about what a menu is. It’s a repeatable process, a repeatable framework. If, for example, our Thanksgiving holiday dinner menu is always turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, corn, and pumpkin pie, then we don’t have to reinvent the wheel every year. We might change our methods, our recipes, but the core plan remains the same.
As marketers, our marketing menu probably looks similar from quarter to quarter. We work towards a similar outcome, usually brand awareness or lead generation, and we have a variety of “dishes” we prepare, from email marketing to SEO to social media to content marketing to even old methods like newspapers. Our marketing recipes change frequently, but the menu is more or less the same, which means we are free to spend more time improving our recipes than figuring out what belongs on the menu every week/month/quarter/year.
Marketing Strategy is Scalable
Once a strategy is robust enough to be repeated, we take it to the next level: scale. A good marketing strategy is scalable, meaning someone else can use it – another employee, another team, another division of the company. If we have a great mobile marketing strategy in our part of the company, wouldn’t it be powerful if the entire company adopted it for all our products and services? If we found a tactic that worked in content marketing, why wouldn’t we see if it applied to our entire marketing mix?
Consider the Thanksgiving menu example. Suppose we were on vacation the week before Thanksgiving and we hadn’t thought through our holiday dinner. If our next-door neighbor gave us their menu, wouldn’t that be helpful? When time is at a premium, having a menu to work from relieves a tremendous burden on us. Instead of having to focus on the why and what, we simply focus on the how, on making the recipes. The menu scales to serve twice as many households. Next, imagine our neighbor’s menu was a hit. Suppose we then shared it with the rest of our relatives? The menu scales up to help many homes prepare great dinners.
In marketing, effective strategy that scales is worth its weight in gold. As with the cooking example, we will be free to focus our energy and efforts on making the strategy work or improving it, rather than spending too much time deciding what the strategy should be. This is why having a Golden Cookbook is so essential. With it, our strategies scale to meet any size problem.
Repeatability and Scale Provide Growth
When we repeat and scale our effective marketing strategies, we grow. We amplify our impact. We increase the value of the work we do. We strengthen our competitive advantage. We achieve our marketing goals.
As you build your marketing plan for the coming year, make repeatability and scale key parts of how you design your marketing strategy.
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Alessandra asks, “I am running a Google Ads campaign for a customer, but results are not showing (yet). The conversions are few, thought CTR is over 7%.
Besides analyzing ads, keywords and landing pages, what “business” considerations can I make to the client to convince him that it’s worthwhile to continue to invest in ads? What can he learn for his business from the results of the campaign?”
How far down the marketing operations funnel can you see? Leads generated? Shopping carts filled? One of the challenges of ads is the potential disconnect once someone arrives on site – that’s where Bob Stone’s 1968 direct marketing framework helps lend a hand.
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In today’s episode Alessandra asks, I am running a Google Ads campaign for a customer but results are not showing yet the conversions are few though click through rate is over 7%.
Besides analyzing ads, keywords and landing pages, what business considerations Can I make to the client to convince him it’s worthwhile to continue to invest in ADS? What can he learn for his business from the results of the campaign? Well, the big question here is how far down the marketing operations funnel Can you see? If all you have access to his ads data, then you can basically show them that you’ve got you’re probably the right audience.
A good offer a good creative, that’s Bob stones 1968 direct marketing framework.
But one of the challenges with ads is that there’s potential disconnect once somebody arrives on site right? Imagine Imagine have this really compelling ad for a coffee shop, right? And you do a great job of getting people interested in the coffee shop and you do a great job of getting people excited.
And they they fire up Google Maps and they get directions.
They go there.
And when they get there, the sole barista that’s working there is asleep on the floor.
All right.
Now, did the ads fail? No, the ads did their job.
They got people to the front door, they got people even through the front door, and then the customer experience went off the rails.
That’s not advertisings fault.
That is a product marketing problem.
While it’s technically just flat out business problems.
So the question is, is the lack of results because of conversions because of something that you did wrong in the direct marketing framework? Or is it because there’s a disconnect between the two between the ad and the experience The way to figure this out is again, look at that old framework list offer creative list these days means audience do that.
Do you target the right audience with the ads? The people who have a high propensity of buying or retargeted based on existing conversions or look alike? Audience? If so, your list is probably in pretty good shape.
Is the offer in the advertisement, likely to entice somebody? And this is where? What is in the ad? Is it synchronous with what happens when you get on the site? Is it a Is it an offer that makes sense as an offer that it does not feel like a bait and switch? There’s this whole bunch of these ads on Facebook that are like advertising Oh, you could you know, get a free product and then you click through and it’s like, you pay money and you leave review and then they refund your money.
Well, that’s not free.
Right, though, by the way that you should immediately report those ads.
camps.
But that’s not free.
It’s a complete disconnect between what was promised in the advertising and what was actually delivered.
So you want to make sure that that’s not the problem.
And of course, there’s a creative in this case, because you’re getting high conversion rates, higher high click through rates, it’s probably not a creative issue.
So either the advertising offer is out of sync with what the offer actually is, or you’ve got a bad experience on site.
The way to remedy that is ideally, have access to Google Analytics, ideally have access to the data that’s happening on site.
What happens when somebody gets to the landing page? Do they immediately bounce away? If so, you’ve got a landing page problem.
And that’s something you should again be looking at that the the offer the creative the layout, whether it renders properly on mobile devices, the usual things you do to diagnose a landing page.
If you don’t see a super high bounce rate, then you have to wonder is there a In fact, a problem with the audience is this product that you made some assumptions on who you’re going to advertise to.
Are they in fact not the right audience? Right? Again, if if you advertise, say espresso drinks right and people click through and they get to the homepage and it’s it’s a coffee shop, but you are just totally going all out on your frozen summertime beverages.
People may look at that and go well that’s not really what I came here for.
I’m not a cold coffee drinker, I’m I’m a hot coffee drinker.
And they may they may choose to go away because again, you’re you’re presenting something that they didn’t ask for.
They thought they were getting one thing and then not getting it in terms of other things that other business considerations.
One area that you can explore and it is fraught with danger if you don’t do it properly.
You can look at branded organic search.
So the premise is that if you are running any kind of promotion, advertising, public relations, influencer marketing, and it’s doing its job, one of the things you should see happen is synchronous with the advertising.
And commensurate with the spend on the advertising, you should see an increase in branded organic search of some kind.
And by that we mean looking for the company’s products or services or name.
If I take out a whole bunch of ads for my company Trust Insights.
And I just go all out on paying cpms.
I don’t care about click throughs.
I just want to I just want people to know the name of the company.
If the ads are effective, I should see a commensurate uptick in the number of searches for Trust Insights in organic search because again, people are aware of This company, hopefully, it has piqued their interest.
Hopefully they have gone to click through and and are gonna search for us.
Now I say that’s fraught with difficulty because it requires statistical analysis requires you to be able to do cross correlation functions to see, not only is there a relationship, but what is the time lag on the relationship? And is the time lag on the relationship synchronous with what happens for unpaid efforts.
Those are challenging questions to ask for folks who don’t have a statistical background.
So it’s something you have to keep in mind.
But that is an additional business consideration you can look at, do you see? brand organic search, marching in lockstep with the paid advertising you’re doing? At the end of the day, though, it all comes down to conversion.
If the conversions are not happening, that’s the number one priority, figure out why the conversions aren’t happening.
Make sure that if you don’t have one in place, all right And you’re spending a decent amount of money, you may want to consider a website satisfaction survey, one of those four key ones that ask simple questions like, did you accomplish the task that you set out to when you came to the site today? Right? And you run it and targeted only on people only on the landing page with the ads, so that you can ascertain.
Is there something on the experience side of the site that is preventing you from being able to pregnant the customer from being able to do what they wanted? If so, that then tells you it’s a customer experience problem and not an advertising problem.
You can also ask, you know, you can’t new came to this page from an advertisement did this page fulfill the ad, the ads promise again, if you get feedback, saying Nope, it didn’t, then you know, you’ve got a disconnect between those two.
So I would say focus on the diagnostic side to figure out why your click through rate is high, but your conversion Right is, is non existent, that’s going to be able to help you understand what’s going on with the advertising.
And if the customer is not interested in running additional ads, at least you can take those best practices and put them towards the next customer.
Maybe make it a part of the campaign that’s integrated, so that you’re running those diagnostics from the very beginning and you’re, you’re understanding how it is that people are finding the experience between the ad and the action that you want them to take.
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Jason asks, “What are the precautionary steps if I need to change the title, description, artwork and such for a podcast so I can avoid losing momentum and not break anything with the new version of the show? What are the implications for being discovered in the podcast searches?”
Treat this like any move. Avoid changing the root domain if possible. Tell your audience and your customers what’s going to happen with plenty of advanced notice, and consider some transitional artwork and messaging. From a technical perspective, as long as the URL doesn’t change, you won’t break anything infrastructure-wise.
Be sure to update the description and feed details – again, think transitional. Have stuff like “The show formerly known as” so that people aren’t surprised – and by having the old show name in your description and maybe even title, you’ll still catch those folks who are searching by the show’s old name.
More than anything, do some basic SEO work and see where your existing show is getting links from, so that you can reach out to those places and get them to update the title and description.
You Ask, I Answer: How to Change a Podcast's Brand?
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In today’s episode, Jason asks, What are the precautionary steps? If I need to change the title, description, artwork and such for a podcast so I can avoid losing momentum and not break anything with a new version of the show? What are the implications for being discovered in podcast searches? So this is a good question.
podcast searches, particularly on services like Spotify, apple, podcasts, Google podcasts, etc, are very rudimentary.
They function like SEO did like 15 years ago, where it really is all just very primitive keywords and things.
There’s none of the AI that you would expect from like a Google search that would detect intent and things.
So specific terms specific names, brands matter a lot.
So treat this move that you’re talking about like any other move, right? Treat it like a website.
Try not to change the domain name.
Try not to change URLs, if possible, because that adds a level of technical complexity that you do not want.
Updating RSS feeds and things like that.
If you can avoid changing the URL, then what you need to do is create a plan for transition period, maybe a month, maybe she wants it depends on the cadence of how fast you release your show.
If your show is a daily show, you could probably make the move fully in about two weeks.
Depending on I guess, the easiest way to look is is to look at how fast old shows stop getting downloads, you know, other than like the ones you twosie here and there.
If your listenership tunes into a show and listens within 24 hours of of it dropping, then, you know, give yourself a few weeks to move.
If on the other hand, a show doesn’t really taper off until like a month then you might need to Give yourself a couple of months of transition time.
In the transition time, what you want to do is tell people that things are changing, give people advance notice, you’ll want to craft some transitional artwork that incorporates the old shows look and the new shows look at the same time.
So if there’s a picture of your just your face for the old show, and there’s a brand new logo for the new show, maybe in the transitional artwork, there’s a picture of your face and the logo together.
Your messaging has to be the same as well, letting people know on the air, hey, this is going to be changing in however long.
When you next open your podcast listener, you’re gonna see start to see some of the changes.
It’s still the same show.
It’s still the same person.
It’s still it’s still me.
But don’t be surprised if in on you know, set an arbitrary date on July one.
The name has changed in your podcast listener, and please keep tuning it.
For more a technical perspective, as long as the URL doesn’t change, you’re not going to break anything infrastructure wise.
You do want to update the description and the feed details.
And, again, we want to be transitional here.
If the show is, you know, almost timely podcast with Christopher Penn, or in this case, let’s say if the Christopher Penn show becomes the most timely podcast.
The transitional name should be almost daily podcast with Christopher Penn or almost timely podcasts, the show formerly known as the Christopher Penn show, right so that a people aren’t surprised.
Be the, the name is people get set to get familiar with the name in their their pod catcher of choice.
And see, you want to take advantage of those very primitive SEO metrics, right, those SEO tools that are in podcasting, you know, Pete very primitive keyword searches.
If someone is searching for the Christopher Penn show.
I want to have that For sure in the description of my podcast forever, right, maybe at the end of my description we’ll say formerly known as the Christopher Penn show.
But in the title of the show and the episodes, I will probably want to have that transition period of the almost timely podcast.
The artist formerly known as Christopher Penn, whatever is in the description so that people searching for it, catch it.
Now for a little while, that’s going to be ugly.
Got some really long titles, but you’ll be giving people the chance to make the transition to mentally make the transition it depending on how large your listener bases and again how frequently or infrequently record, you might even start with flipping the names around.
So if your show is the Christopher Penn show, and the new shows the almost timely podcast, but Christopher Penn show soon to become the almost time we podcast and then do four or five episodes like that, and then flip it around the almost half hour podcasts formerly known as the Christopher Penn show, and then four or five episodes that and then at the end You have the almost half of the podcast but in the description of each episode, and in the master feed description, you’ll have the show formerly known as Christopher Penn show that way.
You’re continuing to attract any searches for people who are looking for the old show while you’re capturing the new show.
One other thing that’s really important with podcasts is there are tons of podcast directories and things like that, that have links to shows there are syndicators and aggregators, more so with podcasts and blogs than with like social media.
By the way, make sure you update all your social properties, usual stuff for any any kind of brand change.
You need to go into the SEO tool of your choice and look for all the inbound links to the old show, including individual episodes.
And then if you have the time, go and hunt down those links and ask people To change the title, the description of those links, the the wording, the anchor text on those links.
If you don’t have a ton of time, I would take that same data extract from the SEO tool of your choice, sorted in descending order by URL URL rank, or whatever your tools equivalent is, and at least take care of the top 10%.
Right, so that you’re getting the most equity redirected, in terms of branding and name and anchor text changes possible to help boost the new show to help to get the new show up and running.
The messaging for that could actually be very similar.
So if somebody is linking to Episode 14 of the Christopher Penn show, I would reach out to them and say, Hey, I just want to let you know thanks so much for linking to me, I’m changing my show’s name.
Would you consider changing the link text to Episode 14 of the almost highly podcast formerly known as the Christopher Penn show so that again, I’m capturing both of those things.
I want to make sure that getting as much of the link redirects the anchor text changes as possible to boost helping people find the new name of the show.
Finally, like all things in podcasting, make sure that you’re doing your outreach, your your rounds, your promos.
It’s so funny people have forgotten how to do promos.
It used to be nothing to do in podcasting back in, you know, oh 60708 and people just don’t do it anymore.
And it’s a shame because it’s a good way to get in front of another audience easily as long as the audience’s is a peer of yours and non competitive.
So give that some thought as well.
There are tons and tons of podcasts and nobody remembers that should write about that.
At some point.
I just lost podcasting culture.
So that’s it.
It’s treated like a brand chain, treat like a brand move to all the things give people transition time.
Try not to break the technical aspects and you should be fine.
Keep the old name around.
titles and descriptions especially so that you can attract searches for them and let the directories know where they are.
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Day 2 of THINK 2020 was much more meat and potatoes, from use cases for AI to process automation. Rob Thomas, SVP Cloud and Data, showed a fun stat that early adopters of AI reaped a 165% increase in revenue and profitability, which was nice affirmation. But the big concept, the big takeaway, was on neurosymbolic AI. Let’s dig into this really important idea presented in a session with Sriram Raghavan, Vice President, IBM Research AI.
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Today we’re talking about day two of IBM think 2020 digital experience, which was much more meat and potatoes than day one day one was a lot of flash and showbiz and big name speakers as typical for many events.
Day two was what many of us came for, which is the the technical stuff, the in depth dives into all neat technologies that IBM is working on.
The one of the cool stats of the day was from Rob Thomas, whose title I can’t remember anymore because it keeps changing.
But he said that for organizations that were early adopters of artificial intelligence, they saw a 165% lift in revenues and profitability.
That’s pretty good.
That’s pretty darn good.
At unsurprisingly, because of the way IBM approaches, Ai, a lot of the focuses on automation on operational efficiencies, things like that.
So less huge radical revolutions and more, make the things you do better.
Much, much better.
The big takeaway, though, for the day came from a session with Sriram Raghavan, who is the VP of IBM Research AI.
And he was talking about his concept called neuro symbolic AI, which is a term that I had not heard before today.
I may be behind on my reading or something.
But it was a fascinating dive into what this is.
So there’s there’s two schools of artificial intelligence, there’s what’s called classical AI.
And then there is neural AI.
And the two that sort of had this either or very binary kind of battle over the over decades, classical AI was where artificial intelligence started with the idea that you could build what are called expert systems that are trained.
And you’ve thought of every possible outcome.
And the idea being you would create these these incredibly sophisticated systems.
Well, it turns out that scales really poorly.
And even with today’s computational resources, they they’re just not able to match the raw processing power of what’s called neural AI, which is why we use things like machine learning, neural networks, deep learning, reinforcement, learning, transfer, learning, active learning, all these different types of learning.
And you feed machines, massive piles of data and the machine learns itself.
The revolution that we’ve had in the last really 20 years in artificial intelligence has been neural AI, and all the power and the cool stuff that it can do.
The challenge with neural AI is that Deep learning networks are somewhat brittle and easily.
It’s called spiking a bet you contaminate them with even a small amount of bad data and you can get some really weird stuff happening.
That combined with a lack of explained ability, and interpretability makes them somewhat challenging you a model comes out and does great things.
But no one could explain exactly why the model works.
We can guess we can maybe put in some interpretability checkpoints in the code, but it’s very difficult and cost intensive to do that.
So you have these two different schools.
You have the classical, let’s have a pristine knowledge system and have the let’s throw everything in see what happens.
neurosymbolic AI, at least from what Dr.
Raghavan was explaining, is when you weld these two things together, so you have all this data but it from the neural side, but the expert system side effectively forms guardrails that say, here are the parameters where we’re which the model shouldn’t drift out of So instead of making it a free for all and risking having having contaminated data in there, you say these are the guardrails, which we’re not going to let the model go outside of.
A really good example of this is, if you’ve ever worked with a chat bot of any kind, there are things that chat bots are and are not allowed to say.
And as we develop more and more sophisticated Chatbots the risk of having them be contaminated with bad data.
You know, internet trolls typing in hate speech into these things, is a real risk.
But having this idea of neurosymbolic AI says these these not just you know these words in our lab, but these entire concepts or categories are not allowed.
And so neurosymbolic AI brings these two worlds together, if you can do it well.
Last year, IBM did a thing called Project debater, which was their first attempt at having a public demonstration of neurosymbolic AI the debate Architecture had 10 different API’s of which several were expert systems saying these are the types of data the look for, these are the things that are allowed.
These are the things that are explicitly not allowed.
And then the neural side said, here’s the corpus of every English language article on in the database.
And by having the two systems play off of each other, it delivered better performance than either kind of AI would have delivered alone.
So what does this mean for us? It’s a change in the way we think about building artificial intelligence models instead of having to choose either or trying to handcraft an expert system again, if you build chat bots, you’ve done this because you’ve had to drag and drop the workflows and the IF THEN statements and things you know, classical, not true, deep learning NLP.
The chat bots, you’ve built by hand like this very limited.
There’s a range of what they can do, but it’s sort of a classic expert system.
And then you have the free for all.
If we can develop neurosymbolic systems that are relatively easy to use and relatively easy to scale, then you get the best of both worlds, you say these are the things I want to allow in my chat bot, but it can have conversations about other things as long as it doesn’t fall afoul of, you know, this area of things I don’t want to allow.
So you could say, allow customer service interactions, allow sales interactions, allow marketing interactions, but also allow history of the company also allow profiles of the executives.
And if a person interacting with your chat bot said it was all like, well, who exactly is who exactly is Christopher Penn? It would know and be able to use the neural side and the expert system side to say, I’m going to go and look at Christopher Penn data that I have in this database.
I know what’s allowed and I know what’s not allowed from the expert system side and I’m going to return a an intelligible answer neurosymbolic I think has the potential to be a way for us to build more trust in artificial intelligence, because we know that the expert system side is there to guide us is there it’s handcrafted by somebody to, to really build the rules, the safety, the trust, the things that are explicitly not allowed the things that are encouraged in the system.
That’s where I see a lot of potential for this concept.
Now, it’s going to be challenging for organizations to build this because it requires knowledge of both schools, AI and a lot of folks particularly last 10 years or so have been solely on the machine learning and neural side.
The idea of the expert system side is something only folks with a lot of gray hair in the AI field will have done because that was you know, the 70s, the 80s.
The 90s was sort of that time period when expert systems were the thing.
So it’s neat to see this concept coming around.
And again, a few other things I thought were interesting from the day talk on propensity modeling and causal inferences within machine learning, I thought was really cool being able to use different algorithms to start to hint at causality you can’t prove without a shadow of a doubt.
But there are some definitely some algorithms that can get you closer to causality rather than correlation.
That was really cool.
And of course, the quantum stuff, always mind blowing.
And always, I still can’t put it into into words, I can understand it yet.
But a terrific wrap up.
That’s the end of the live sessions for think but the thing digital experiences open to the public, I think for least a few more weeks, so I’m going to dive into some of the on demand sessions and dig through those.
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Danielle asks, “I have started writing blog posts on our company website. Should I use the same content for email marketing? Should I just reuse the content or link back to the site? What about social media?”
Content re-use is a fine strategy to get the most out of high-value content. The reality is that we’re only going to produce a few amazing pieces of content at a time, except for those companies that have heavily invested in large content teams. So absolutely, repurpose your best performing content in a technique called content atomization.
You Ask, I Answer: Re-Using Blog Content For Other Channels?
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In today’s episode, Danielle, so I have started writing blog posts on our company website.
Should I use the same content for email marketing? Should I just reuse the content? Or link back to the site? What about social media? So content reuse is a fine strategy to get the most out of high value content? Look, the reality is we’re not going to create the best content all the time, right? We’re going to create YouTube’s model I think is probably the one that makes the most sense hero hub help you’re gonna make a lot of help content How do I do this? How do I do that? Is it going to be award winning and groundbreaking now, it’s it’s very tactical content.
It’s, it’s good.
It’s not amazing.
You’re gonna have hub content, monthly campaigns, major promotions, and then a couple times, you know, maybe once a quarter, you’re gonna have hero content, that big piece of thought leadership that you put out that that massive, groundbreaking research.
And the more you invest in a piece of content, the more you should be looking at reusing it.
My friend Todd different created a concept back in 2008, called content optimization, where you take a piece of content, you break it up into as many pieces as possible.
You take individual quotes, turn them into graphics, you, you take images, and you make photos that go on photo sharing services.
you record a webinar and you extract You know, one minute snippets of video for the Instagrams of the world, the TIC tocs, if you want to.
But fundamentally, you’re taking a piece of content, you’re breaking it up into as many pieces as possible, distributing that to as many places as possible in formats that are appropriate for each channel.
So when you talk about blog posts for a company website, yes, absolutely.
Those or pieces of those should go In an email newsletter, if you’re blogging at a high frequency, you may want to do a summary of each of the posts that goes into the newsletter.
So like a one paragraph for each post, if you’re doing a daily post, that’s a great email newsletter because it helps people encapsulate and see everything you’ve published.
And it doesn’t overwhelm them.
They can read the teaser the trailer, if you will, and go Well, I’m not going to read that one that does sound interesting or that actually is worth paying attention to.
In doing so, you’re going to make it a lot easier for them to figure out what’s worth reading, what’s not.
Should you do the whole thing in the newsletter? It depends.
If your newsletter is powered by a service that publishes your newsletter on the web for the view and browser functionality, and it’s publicly accessible.
Now, don’t put the whole content of the blog post in the newsletter because you’re going to create duplicate Get content, right? Create excerpts instead and put those in the newsletter.
If on the other hand, you have a newsletter where there is no public, publicly available web page version, then yes, you can if you want to make that the entire newsletter.
Another option, depending on your blogging service is services like WordPress can email a blog post to people who subscribe to it.
So you may want to look into that.
Other services like feed, press do the same thing.
Whatever the case is, you’re going to want to make sure that the content is optimized for each particular medium that it’s on.
So if your blog post is 3000 words, you may not want to put that in email.
Right? That’s just a that’s a really long email.
And unless you write for mobile device screens, there’s a very real possibility that it will it will not interest people.
blog posts also typically, depending on how you structure them, meaning Be as visually appealing in an email.
The shorter excerpts may do better for social media, look into multimedia look into even something as simple as reading your blog post out loud.
turning that into a podcast or using a text to speech generator, Amazon has a fantastic one called poly that allows you to create very natural sounding audio from text.
So if you don’t feel like reading something aloud, you can feed your posts to that, turn them into mp3 and now you’ve got a podcast.
It’d be the world’s best podcast, but it’s not bad.
So yeah, absolutely.
Repurpose your content.
Now the one other thing that I would suggest you to think about is don’t necessarily immediately go and put every blog post into a newsletter.
If you can, if it makes sense to do so.
Give yourself a little bit of lag time, maybe a few days, maybe a week, you know, maybe put the previous week’s blog post in the newsletter because What you want to do is you want to look at the analytics.
If you’re blogging at a high frequency and you put out, you know, one post a day, what would happen if you ignore it, if you stack up all five days, looked at the analytics on them, and said, I’m only gonna put the top two, or the top three posts by traffic into the newsletter to to reinforce the fact that not every post is a great one.
That’s a really good way of handling a situation where you’ve got a lot of content.
When I do content curation, I will look at the analytics for different pieces of content that other people have written and share only the ones that rank most highly because I don’t want to put things in an email newsletter that aren’t of interest to other people.
By having filtering by having scoring, you can create sort of a newsletter that is the best of the best and that’s that’s really what you want to give people you want to give people your best.
Email is still a great way to get the attention of others.
So those are the suggestions for reusing content is absolutely a good idea.
Make sure that you do it well.
Make sure that you make content for each channel as appropriate to that content, and focus on the analytics so that you’re only showing the best stuff to people in any medium in any format.
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Lindsay asks, “What are your suggestions/best practices for a podcast landing page?”
Podcast landing pages need to do three things. First, explain why someone should give you any of their time, even a minute. What’s in it for them? Second, it should present an option for listening that the listener can use. Third, you should have analytics tracking clicks to your podcasting services.
You Ask, I Answer: Podcast Landing Page Best Practices?
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In today’s episode, Lindsay asks, What are your suggestions or best practices for a podcast landing page? podcast, podcast landing pages are really simple and really straightforward.
They require a lot less maintenance and thought than, say, a regular landing page where you have to figure out is somebody going to, you know, not fill out all the form or scroll far enough to read all the exciting copy.
podcasts landing pages are much simpler.
So, you need two things.
Well, three things really.
First, and by far the most important.
Your podcast landing page has to explain in clear, short, unambiguous text, why someone should give you the time of day.
We are in a world where there are still 24 hours a day but Everybody’s got one of these things, has literally millions of choices.
There’s millions of podcasts out there.
There are millions of YouTube channels, there are millions of apps in the app store.
You are competing for time with every single thing on here, right? Which means that you have to explain to somebody Why in the world, they listened to your podcast for even a minute, compared to all the other options they have available to them.
So why the number one mistake I see for podcasts landing pages is that the podcasters spend a whole lot of time talking about them, hey, here’s who I am.
Here’s what I do.
And here’s how awesome I am.
And here’s how many awards I’ve won and how many people listen to my show.
Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.
One bit they, your audience wants to know, what are you going to do for them? so short, upfront, here’s why you listen to the show.
Show, example the In-Ear Insights podcast that I do with Katy robear.
Less than 30 minutes, you’ll get a deep dive on some type particular type of marketing and analytics related thing or marketing and strategy.
If you want to hear a balanced perspective of human and technology, you listen to that show.
Marketing over coffee, the show I do with John Wall in 25 minutes or less.
catch up on the latest marketing news by two grumpy old guys who just grabbed at the world at the silliness that some marketers do.
Those are make very clear what you’re going to get.
So make sure that’s the case for your podcast.
Think of this, your podcast is functionally a product right? So the same effort you would put into Product Marketing, the four P’s right product price, price, place promotion.
There’s no price obviously, for the most part.
So what is it that is unique and worthwhile listening to your show that somebody can get from your show? They’re not going to get anywhere else.
Okay, so that’s number one.
Number two, present listening options.
One of the things that I have seen done most wrong and I’ve done it myself, I’ve done it myself is not to put all the major options for listing on a page.
So in fact, let’s bring up the In-Ear Insights one here.
You can see we’ve got a bunch of different options here.
And they’re really really blatantly clear, right? There’s no doubt giant text here.
What it is that somebody can do, where you can find the show, Google podcasts, Apple podcast, Stitcher, Spotify, YouTube.
Don’t forget about YouTube.
YouTube is a huge listening platform as well as video platform.
A lot of people forget that YouTube exists and can be a good distribution channel for yourself.
Comcast, because people listen to things.
And if you are super clever, you will get your podcast transcribed and closed captions so that you can put that text into YouTube and then YouTube search engine will do a better job of helping people find your show.
These listening options should encompass every major podcasting channel based on where you’re the services that you use for your podcasting service distribute to so I use libsyn, for example.
And they can distribute to all these different platforms pretty easily or their RSS feed.
You are only limited by what channels you choose to publish your podcast on.
So that’s number two, number three on the landing page, and I think this is an optional one, but I think it’s still important.
You’ll notice that on the landing page, all these links go to someplace you don’t control.
Not a single one is on your site.
So you have no analytics on this.
What you can do Do with Google Tag Manager and Google Analytics is set up a goal to track outbound clicks from these links, and record them as essentially podcast clicks to say, Okay, I did enough to convince somebody to go to this page and click on one of these things.
And in doing so, they may or may not have subscribed, they probably will subscribe because the mechanisms are all pretty straightforward, right? And I can count that as a goal completion now.
Is that a valuable goal? Is it as good as someone subscribing to a newsletter or filling out a form to download a white paper or webinar? Probably not.
But at least you want to know the activity you want to know is anybody clicking on these things? if nobody’s clicking on our podcast links, sad sauce, right? We’ve we’ve not done a good job.
So those would be the three major best practices that I would focus on with your podcast landing page make it obvious as to why somebody cares about you.
Make it easy for them to subscribe, and then track your messaging.
Bonus.
If you set up a podcast listening goal in Google Analytics, and you use Tag Manager to track it, you can then use software like Google Optimize to do a B testing on the landing page to see if you can do something to increase the click through rates on it and changing copy changing images, things like that.
Remember that a podcast is a product.
It is a product and it will do as well as any product would with the appropriate amount of product marketing effort.
Which means that if you just kind of slap something up, which again, I’m guilty of it, I’ve done it, I’ve done it more than I care to count.
You will get results commensurate with your lack of effort if you invest the time.
If you focus on making things easy, if you focus on the customer, your podcast landing page will do better.
A will function better for you.
The other thing thing with, it’s not about the landing page itself.
But make sure that in all of your other communications, you are cross promoting your podcast.
If you’re going to put the time and effort into it, make sure that there’s a link in your newsletter.
Right make sure there’s links in the navigation on the rest of your website, make sure that you are mentioning it in the episode itself, especially if you put it on like YouTube where there is no feed, put the you know, link to the subscription page in your YouTube comments and the description on your video and mention it in the show that hey, I’ve got a podcast please listen to it.
Right.
I always say at the end of these videos, please subscribe to the YouTube channel in the newsletter.
Because I want you to go find those things if you’re listening to this.
So this you may want to have a custom domain redirected domain for your podcasts, easy to remember.
That’s probably the the simplest way for people to hear so if you’re doing a promo for another podcast, You could say to somebody go to marketing over coffee.com if that was not your URL and redirect that, so, your podcast here.com whatever the case may be, give those things a try.
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Katy asks, “I recently started at a startup and am responsible for all marketing. I’ve been doing digital marketing for a long time, but one of my weaknesses is PR. I would appreciate any advice on how to approach B2B PR.”
PR is a sales job, without the commissions. It’s one of the most difficult jobs you’ll ever hold – all the pain of sales, none of the reward. Like sales, it’s all about building a book of relationships with publications and influencers in your industry’s vertical, and giving more than you take.
Get organized with a sales CRM. Use Hubspot’s free sales CRM – a “deal” is a pitch. Contacts are your publication relationships. Treat it like sales – and track your closing rate.
Get organized with your company. What do you have that is legitimately newsworthy? No one gives a hoot about your press release, newest product, executive hire, or other BS. Influencers and publications want news that attracts eyeballs. Remember how reporters and influencers get paid – with traffic that drives their ad business.
Set realistic expectations. Know the difference between short and long lead pitches and treat them as such.
Do your homework. As part of relationship building, know clearly who the top 10 people in your vertical are and what their angles are.
Never send a bulk pitch. Ever.
Give before you get. Follow the Gini Dietrich rule. 10 days, 10 touches, giving only, not asking for anything.
Make your own company a publication of record. No pitch is easier than to your own site – but make it an industry authority.
Build a community, like a Slack channel, LinkedIn group, etc. Like being a publication of record, owning the relationship with the audience directly is always better.
Unless you are required to by law, don’t bother with press releases. Waste of money.
Top tier publications matter very little (WSJ, NYT). Trade publications matter a lot (Industrial Concrete Magazine).
Measure the impact of your PR efforts, not the volume of activity. Focus on things like traffic, branded organic search, and prospect generation.
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In today’s episode, Katie asks, I recently started at a startup and I’m responsible for all marketing.
I’ve been doing digital marketing for a long time, but one of my weaknesses PR out appreciate any advice on how to approach b2b public relations.
Okay, so I spent five plus years at a PR firm and picked up a lot of interesting experiences during that time.
Pr is a sales job.
It is actually the worst sales job in the world because you are following all the processes of sales, the pitching the outreach, the relationship building, but none of the rewards because there’s no Commission’s right instead of selling your product to someone, you’re selling a story to an influencer or a publication of some kind.
So when you pivot your thinking to realizing it is a sales job.
Then you treat it like a sales job, right? You build relationships you focus on on that Relationships between you and other people in your industry is vertical, and you give more than you take.
So let’s look at like 10 tips on this stuff, right? Number one, get organized with a sales CRM, use hub spots, free CRM, use any of the free CRMs that are out there.
Remember, PR is a sales job.
So you need to treat it like sales.
Every time you pitch a reporter that’s like a deal, right? You’re trying to win, close the pitch, and get them to publish your story, your company’s story.
So in your CRM, treat it like a deal, right, your contacts or your relationships with publications and influencers and track that stuff so that you don’t lose track of things and that you know what closes and what doesn’t and who closes and who doesn’t? Don’t rely on on anecdotes and memory, treat it like sales.
use software to make your processes better to get organized.
With your company, what do you have that is legitimately newsworthy that other people will care about? Remember publications of any kind, whether it’s an individual, a blogger, newspaper, magazine, whatever.
They want stories that attract eyeballs because they have to pay their bills and they pay their bills with traffic that gets them to sell ads.
Right.
So what do you have that will help that company sell ads to its customers? Right? What will you What do you have that is so newsworthy? That they will get traffic to their website? No one gives a crap about your press release your newest product announcement, your executive hire all the BS that PR people typically do.
poor ones do.
People want traffic, they want traffic to sell ads.
So what do you have that is newsworthy enough, that won’t get you that traffic, add another publication Number three, set realistic expectations.
Pr is not like advertising and advertising, you swipe the credit card and your ads are running PR takes a long time.
The best PR professionals are those that have a lot of gray hair because they have, you know, decade long relationships with specific outlets with specific individuals.
They can pick up the phone say, hey, I’ve got this thing I know it’s worth your time.
Let’s talk.
At the very least you also have to know the difference between short and long lead pitches long lead pitches are things like magazines where they’re planning out one or two quarters in advance and you can work to get your story into in you know that issue six months from now, short leads are things like digital publications where they are looking for stories sooner than that.
And you have to set expectations with your company that depending on what your focus is, it may take months to see any results from public relations.
Next Do your homework.
As part of relationship building.
Be sure you know who the top 10 people are in your industries vertical and what their angles are.
They have a specific point of view, or a specific subject matter expertise that they want to focus on.
If you send them a generic pitch, you’re going to get tossed in the trash, right? You have to send something that is on target for what they want to talk about.
So read their stuff, dig in, scan their articles, watch their social feeds, learn what they care about, and what gets them results.
Use great social media monitoring tools like Talkwalker to identify like this is a this is what this influencer or this publication is published and these are the performance metrics on it and look at the top 10 things that got them traffic, focus on that.
never send the ball pitch ever.
Just don’t do it.
You should never be having sending a pitch to more than one person.
Ever.
Give before you get our advisor and PR professional extraordinaire.
Gini Dietrich has called the 10 by 10 rule 10 days 10 touches, giving only so you follow a reporter you share their stories, you comment to them, you apply, you promote them 10 days, one touch a day for 10 days, never asking for anything, all you want to do is make sure that you are lodged in their brain as a name they recognize, so that when you do ask for something later on you, you have that share of mind.
And it may not it may take longer than 10 days, it may take 30 or 50 or 70 days for them to respond to you genuinely and say Hey, thanks for sharing my stuff, but at the very least you need to be present of mind in your, your contacts before you can ask for anything.
Make your company a publication of record.
If your company doesn’t already have a blog, a podcast, a YouTube channel a social media accounts, etc.
Invest in those no pitches easier than one do your own site right.
As long as you’re an Industry authority, you can leverage that audience when I ran, blogs and podcasts and stuff for all the companies I’ve worked for in the last 15 years.
Becoming an industry authority means then you don’t have to get approval, you don’t have to wait for anybody you can publish.
And as long as the news is worthy is quality, people will pay attention.
And it’s so much easier than pitching third party publications.
That is a whole strategy unto itself, but it is worth doing because in the end, you have that relationship with the audience directly.
You don’t have to wait for an intermediary unless you’re required to by law, such as the SEC regulation fd.
Do not bother with press releases.
They are a waste of money.
Because most people do them so badly.
And they get one click and it’s usually you when it comes to B2B specifically, top tier publications matter, very little Wall Street Journal, New York Times, USA Today, it’s not the place for you and you won’t get the results or are disproportionately Worse than the effort you put into trade publications.
And individual influences matter a lot.
So individual people that you can reach out to about, and they, they have their own audience, they have a podcast, they have a YouTube channel, they have a LinkedIn group that they run, they have a Slack channel, trade publication, industrial concrete magazine, if you’re in the industrial concrete space, guess what that is the place for you to be focus on the niches in b2b pr works so much better.
And build your own audience to build your own community you’ll build a slack group build a LinkedIn group something like that where you have access to the audience directly it’s kind of part of building you know, your your publication record, but if you build your audience, then again, you don’t have to wait for an intermediary to do it for you get the credibility of them doing it your name with in like network World Magazine.
But in turn performance that actually matters.
That’s it.
And finally, measure what you do not measure how much you’ve done but measure the outcomes of what you’ve done.
Did you drive traffic? Did you get links for SEO? Did you get mentions on social media that drove traffic to the website? Did you see branded organic search, increase? measure the impact of your PR and what it did for the business and if it’s not having the impact you want? consider doing something else.
So that was a lot lot to throw at you.
But that is b2b public relations.
In a nutshell, do those things, and you will be more successful than less.
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