Christopher S. Penn – Marketing AI Keynote Speaker

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Scaling Content Curation?

    You Ask, I Answer: Scaling Content Curation?

    Jen asks, “How do you curate content for your social media channels?”

    I have a list of trusted sources, about 150 of them, that I bring into a SQL database. I run several scripts to vacuum up the article text, index it, and then run natural language processing to identify the contents. After that, I have a pre-defined list of topics that I care about and score each article. I have a third script which scans the table for a certain number of articles, by score, and exports the data into a format for bulk scheduling. Watch the video for a tour.

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    In today’s episode, Jen asks, How do you curate content for your social media channels? That’s a complicated question to answer.

    A few years ago, I was curating content, you know, reading through Feedly, and blogs and stuff like that.

    And notice I kept doing the same thing over and over again, which took a really long time, a couple hours a week.

    And I said, this is silly.

    This is something that can clearly be automated.

    One of the benchmarks for automation is if you do the same thing over and over and over again, and you do it more than twice, it’s time to start thinking about automating it when you are doing the same thing.

    Every single day.

    It is definitely time to start automating.

    So the process for automating this thing is relatively straightforward.

    It just as a lot of custom code.

    Now there are paid services that do this kind of automation and they are all reassuringly expensive.

    The reason I don’t use paid services is twofold.

    One, I’m cheap.

    And two.

    More importantly, I don’t like the black box algorithm of how the services finding recommend content.

    I don’t know what goes into the box.

    And therefore I don’t know how it makes its decision.

    Then when you ask vendors, they say it’s a proprietary algorithm.

    I get that.

    But I still want to know how it works.

    So I ended up rolling my own.

    What I did and how you can start thinking about doing this for yourself.

    If you have the requisite technology skills is first you need a source of articles of content.

    So what I’m going to show is bring this up here on screen.

    This is the ahrefs SEO tool, one of my favorites.

    Type in the topic of your choice, and you’ll see of course, a large collection of articles on your topics.

    What you want to do is not focus on the articles but focus on the sources.

    Also, if you already subscribe to some great blogs and like Feedly, or whatever service you use, export that list of blogs, you will need then a scraper to go out and read and retrieve those pieces of content and put them in some sort of storage mechanism.

    I use a sequel database, which you can see here that pulls in each article, and then by URL from those RSS feeds.

    Now, the important thing here is that I don’t want just the article title.

    And I don’t want just the URL, I want the full article itself.

    So one of the things that the software I wrote does is vacuums up the actual content of the article itself.

    And you can see here on screen that a number of these that have the full text coming in.

    That’s important because the next step in this process is to figure out is this an article that I would want to share is a topic irrelevant.

    So there’s a stage there’s another piece of software on this database server that goes through and identifies This is something that I care about it also pulls in social shares, SEO, data from RF things like that.

    In this case, we can see, there are a number of articles that are about data.

    There’s one here about analytics and things and you can just spot check very quickly just by looking at the titles like is this a relevant article? Here’s what a data driven planning for city resilience, quantifying sea level rise.

    Okay, that sounds like something that I would share.

    There are also flags in here for things that I don’t want.

    See, where’s that column there’s a there’s one called blacklist and that is essentially if I sort this column here Oh, I delete anything that’s below certain point.

    articles about politics, especially certain politicians don’t want them don’t want to share them so they automatically get blacklist just knocked out.

    never see the light of day.

    The next step after that is to design them with social sharing links.

    I have my own link shortener because I got tired Getting ads from the service I was using to hand over a lot of money a month for him.

    So have a link shortener connected there.

    And all this database processing happens on the database itself, and that prepares essentially 15 20,000 articles a month for processing.

    And this this script runs this system here runs every 15 minutes or so.

    So it’s not like once a month, because it does take time for the software to go out and do all this processing and scoring.

    At the end, what you end up with is a scoring system, right? So at the at the very end, there is this resource here.

    You can see these are the highest ranked articles based on those topics, not containing things they don’t want.

    What is social media management, Instagram revenue and use the statistics right 41 best data science programs, these are all things that are perfectly on target for the kind of stuff I share.

    So now the last step is to use a another piece of software.

    But I wrote that goes in and takes all these articles blends in a series of social shares of things that essentially are ads, right? things that I want to promote like my newsletter, like the Trust Insights, newsletter, whatever oddities I want to promote and mixes them and do so there’s from a content curation perspective is 25 ads, there are 50 articles, so you know about two to one ratio there.

    And then there’s a thank you section as well, where I’m pulling in additional 25 articles that are all things that other people have written about TrustInsights.ai I want to make sure that we’re sharing the love thanking people for covering the company, right, that’s an important thing to do.

    This will so together A at the end of the process, one single CSV file and it looks kind of like this.

    This then goes into a Gora Pulse buffer, Sprout Social whatever system you want to use to share your content.

    This is all pre built out and this is fresh content one of the restrictors on the system is it has to be only contents and shared in the last seven days.

    And what the summary is is like cleaning loading the different social shares topic scans link shortening content scan at the end of this process as a right now there are 321 articles that I could be sharing with you that are published within the last seven days that are topically relevant out of the 5000 so each week that are raw inputs.

    Now this system is very technology heavy and you can see the user interface kind of sucks.

    Actually, no it it does suck if you if you’re used to having a really nice polished interface.

    This is this is not something that that is going to do any good which is one of the reasons why it’s Not for sale, right? It’s it is not a product that you could just buy off the shelf and run on your own servers.

    Trust Insights does offer it as a service.

    If you want our help to get a file, we have a couple of paying clients who get weekly files from us.

    But for those folks, you know, we work with them to tune their topics and tune their stuff so that they have input into the algorithm, but ultimately, they’re not maintaining the algorithm or the infrastructure.

    Like I said, the reasons I do this twofold.

    One is to I know how the articles getting chosen.

    And when something comes up that I like, I don’t like that kind of article.

    I don’t want that kind of content in my social shares.

    I can go in under into the system itself and write exceptions right.

    rules or or change the code around to say like, this is not something I want anymore.

    Now, there is some but not a ton of machine learning in this and one of my goals.

    For 2020 is to upgrade the article selection process to instead of using manual tagging, to use supervised learning as a as a way to process the articles, and get even better targeting, but that’s going to require a lot of work that’s gonna be all those things probably gets done, you know, When, when, even when it gets slow.

    But that’s how I do the content curation.

    This process, and the system has taken probably four years to write in tune over time, and there are constantly new changes coming in as you know, new clients come on who want this service or as I see things and learn things that I want to improve on it.

    That changes the system to its, its ongoing.

    If I were going to start over from scratch, I’d probably do some of the back end architecture a lot differently.

    Because it was built with my skills at that time and as my skills evolve, the system evolves but it’s still not it’s still not where it could be yet Where needs to go.

    To build something like this yourself, you need SQL database skills.

    You need a scripting language as web compatible like PHP, Python, etc.

    And you need data processing language skills like our or Python in order to be able to create the scripts that you need.

    And so them all together into one system.

    So those are the sort of the three sets of skills you’ll need to implement a system like this.

    I would strongly recommend that you come up with your own algorithms and it and you may want to a user interface I don’t I don’t particularly need one.

    But you may want to use your interface if you’re going to do this yourself.

    But that’s how it works.

    That’s how the system works.

    It’s it’s been a pet project for years and it continues to grow.

    And I hope you found this useful for thinking about how you could build your own system like this.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Data Quality and AI?

    You Ask, I Answer: Data Quality and AI?

    Sampurnakumar asks, “What level of data quality do you need for AI to be successful? Does it require the best data and best data usage to solve problems?”

    One of the problems with AI, conceptually, is that it’s seen as this mysterious entity that we don’t fully understand. Any qualified AI practitioner should immediately debunk this concept when possible, because AI as it is currently used in the commercial space is anything but mysterious. Substitute the word spreadsheet for AI and see how the question changes, because at its heart, AI is just math.

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    In today’s episode Sampurnakumar I think I got that right asks, what level of data quality Do you need for AI to be successful doesn’t require the best data and the best data usage to solve problems.

    So one of the problems with AI today, conceptually, is that it is seen as this mysterious entity that we don’t fully understand that it’s, you know, no one could understand what’s going on in the machine, which is patently untrue.

    Any qualified AI practitioner should immediately debunk this, this concept of we don’t know what’s going on inside the AI.

    Because AI is, at least as it is being used in commercial business applications.

    I’m sure there are some things in academia which people are still researching, hence, its research but for commercial use for things that we’re doing In business, if you don’t know what’s going on inside the box, you did it wrong.

    Right? Ai, particularly traditional machine learning, there’s no excuse for not knowing what the machine is doing.

    And so when we take the phrase AI away, one of the tricks that I like to do is to substitute the word spreadsheet, because at its core AI is just math, right? It’s nothing more than doing math, stats and probability.

    re ask that question, what level of data quality you need for spreadsheet to be successful? Right, that’s, that’s a lot easier to understand.

    Right? You need a minimum data quality, otherwise your spreadsheets will be wrong, right? And if your spreadsheets are wrong, you’ve got to make bad decisions.

    So the question is less about the type of data quality you need for AI to work and more about the type of data quality you need to get the outcome you’re looking for AI does not solve new problems, right AI solves existing business and math and marketing problems that we don’t have the scale to handle.

    Or we don’t have the time to handle but we’ve previously tried to handle them, right? If you do image classification, image classification is something we do all day, right? You see a crowded store and you recognize a person’s face that you know, that’s image recognition, you do that already.

    So you’re not doing anything brand new, you’re just doing AI is doing that faster and a greater scale.

    When you’re trying to solve a complex mathematical question.

    You could do 300 variable multiple regression analysis by hand, you would not do it quickly.

    And it wouldn’t be a lot of fun, but it can be done.

    It is something that a human being could do.

    It is just not efficient for a human being to do so.

    So Think about with AI.

    And the data quality you need of the data usage.

    How would a human tackle is what level of data quality would a human being need in order to make this work? If you had a spreadsheet open? How would you solve that problem with a spreadsheet? And what data quality would you need? A lot of the time data quality comes down to risk assessment.

    What level of error? Are you comfortable with? What level of error is acceptable? If you’re doing marketing, right, and you’re doing campaign targeting, and and no plus or minus 5%.

    Probably not going to break the bank unless you deploy a multi billion dollar marketing campaign if you drop on 1000 bucks on a Facebook ad, right? What level of error Are you comfortable with probably you’re pretty comfortable, the fairly wide margin of error Right.

    On the other hand, if you are doing medical devices, and the device that you are programming and building a model for is going to be implanted in thousands of human beings, your margin of error is really small, right? or it should be if you’re an ethical practitioner, because you want to have as little error as possible and therefore, risk as few lives as possible, right? There’s a much higher standard for error.

    There’s a much lower tolerance for error in cases like that as it should be.

    So data quality, at its core is really about risk mitigation.

    What level of risk Are you comfortable with? What level of risk are is your organization comfortable with? How wrong Are you allowed to be? Because remember, when you take data that you have, and you feed it to AI, all it’s doing is processing the same data.

    It’s a larger scale, so the margin of error may be the same.

    It might apply some Minus 3%.

    It’s just that instead of a spreadsheet with 1000 rows, you may be looking at data set with a billion rows and 5% of a billion is a much larger absolute number than 5% of 1000.

    But if you’re comfortable with that level of error, great, now one of the things that AI is capable of doing, because again, it’s all just math is identifying very quickly whether something has greater error than we thought, right? So you have this piece of software developed or the status that you’re working with, and it shows, you know, an MA e or an MSE or an RMSE.

    Or any of these the error metrics, area under curve and and the numbers are wildly off.

    You’re like, Huh, that doesn’t look right.

    When you went into situations like that, that is an opportunity for you to use these tools and say, I think there’s more wrong with this data than we thought.

    The reason we don’t do that more is because most practitioners who work with data at least in marketing, copy that in marketing Do not have a formal background of any kind and exploratory data analysis, the ability to look at a data set and go, yeah, there’s some things wrong here.

    Right? That’s something that’s a skill that people lack.

    And that’s certainly a skill that I would like to see more marketers adopt and embrace is the ability to do exploratory data analysis in order to find what level of error is wrong in the data to begin with? And if you don’t do that, you can never know that.

    And then yeah, you do have, at that point, the worst case scenario, you have unknown risk, you don’t know what the risks are.

    And that’s very dangerous, because it could be 2%.

    It could be 200%.

    And you could have you could be in for a really bad time as as the South Park character say, so that’s the answer to that question, substitute the word spreadsheet and then ask yourself what level of risk Are you comfortable with in your data in order to make the determination whether you’ve got good enough data to use with artificial intelligence and machine learning Thanks for the question please leave your follow up questions below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Agency Social Media Marketing Strategy?

    You Ask, I Answer: Agency Social Media Marketing Strategy?

    Taryn asks, “What do you/your company post on company social media? Do you share client work and updates? BTS & company culture of the agency to appeal to new hires? A mix of both?”

    It depends – each channel is different, each audience is different. Setting clear purpose and intent makes a big difference about what you post, about your whole agency social media marketing strategy. At Trust Insights, most of our Twitter and LinkedIn content is syndicated industry news we find useful. YouTube and Instagram tend to be events. Deciding a purpose matters most, following by setting measurement goals.

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    In today’s episode Terran asks, what do you what are your company post on company social media? If you work in an agency, do you share client work and updates back behind the scenes and company culture of the agency to appeal to new hires and mix? Both? It’s a good question.

    It depends.

    It depends on the audience, the channel, the overall strategy, things like that.

    One of the things that is really helpful in terms of marketing your agency on social media is setting clear purpose.

    What do you get from this channel? What do you get from this channel? What do you get from this channel? So Trust Insights, for example.

    Twitter, mostly is going to be syndicated industry news.

    Same with LinkedIn.

    LinkedIn actually gets a syndicated copy of us to answer videos as well.

    And that’s because the audiences on those platforms are, are expecting and behave like audiences that want heavy business content.

    Things like articles we find useful and informative when it comes to data and analytics, which is what we mostly work with.

    YouTube and Instagram, for us tend to be about events.

    So posting conference videos, snippets, live interviews and things from events that we’re at, we go to a lot of events.

    We speak at a lot of events.

    And so those channels, that’s sort of the intent there.

    So that that purpose matters most to know what it is that the audience expects.

    The other thing to think about is what does the audience how do they behave? those channels.

    When you’re on Instagram, for example, you’re you know, you’ve got the whole, you know, something going into scrolling through your feed is as quick as possible swiping through your stories.

    And so that’s a place where it is almost completely visual content.

    No super heavy chunks of text saying with Facebook, although our our analytics on Facebook have been so appalling that you know, it’s at this point, the only reason we post to Facebook because we haven’t removed from Agorapulse yet.

    deciding that purpose matters the most.

    Second thing that’s really important is to set really good measurement goals.

    Right? If you set up a channel and you said this is going to be our behind the scenes channel, and you’re posting and then you look at your analytics and as a flatline, the audience isn’t responding to it.

    So change your strategy one really important thing to do that not enough people do is ask the audiences on that channel what they want from you on that channel, just, you know, run a poll, run a survey, maybe even put a few ad dollars behind it just to make sure people who are subscribed to you can see it.

    But ask them like, Hey, you follow us here in our audience, whatever.

    What do you want to hear? What do you want to see? What would be value to you.

    And that will help you triangulate on that channels impact as well.

    Third thing I’d recommend doing is at least for those channels, where you can get the data LinkedIn is not one of them, but certainly YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, you can get competitive data.

    So if there are competing agencies in your space, you can extract that data from the music and a number of different third party tools and get a sense for what really works for those other agencies.

    So if you say like a public relations agency, put together a list in something like Talkwalker or CrowdTangle.

    And look at what they post Look what gets them the highest levels of engagement, look at the top 20 or 30 posts or maybe the top 25%.

    And get a sense of, is it content that is about, you know, behind the scenes, is it client stuff? What is it that that resonates most and that will give you a good sense of what that industry’s general audience is looking for.

    So those are sort of three steps.

    Figuring out your purpose, validating that purpose with measurement, and then looking at competitive in order to see our others others Similar audiences like that.

    The competitive one I think, is when people don’t do enough of and they overlook because it is much more difficult and time intensive to do.

    But it’s how you’re going to grow.

    Because if you have a good sense of this is what our competitors are doing and what’s working for them, then you may be able to take some market share with them, at least in terms of Attention, attention that they get on social media.

    Now.

    If your competitors, engagement metrics, are all appallingly low, then you have to consider maybe they’re doing it wrong, as a collective group thing within an industry is not uncommon, especially the agency world because people in the agency world, job hop like crazy and so you can get a very homogenous culture.

    In a region, all the agencies social media starts to behave the same because in some cases, that person that, you know, manager or a director or vice president has been at like seven agencies in the area in like the last four years.

    And so all those practices tend to be homogenous.

    So use that as a warning sign too.

    if everybody’s content looks the same and everybody’s metrics look the same, then you have an opportunity to do something different and perhaps gain some market share that everyone is ignoring.

    So something to think about lots lots to think about, but that’s would be my recommendation said the purpose measure the purpose and compare the purpose and see how you do if you have any follow up questions please leave them comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Link Building Cold Outreach?

    You Ask, I Answer: Link Building Cold Outreach?

    Michael asks, “I get dozens of cold outreach link requests a day that are clearly templates or automated. Does this tactic actually work?”

    Cold outreach requests work in the same way that spam works – you only need a small percentage of people to respond positively. As a whole, it’s efficient but not particularly effective, it tends to work on low quality content, and it does cost your organization some reputation, especially if it’s done poorly. What works better is creating amazing content that people want to link to, and investing in the relationships first.

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    Christopher Penn In today’s episode, Michael asks, I get dozens of cold outreach link requests a day that are clearly templates or automated does this tactic actually work? Yeah, we all do cold outreach, Link requests in their templates to say like, hey, owner of Christopher penn.com, I noticed that you write about marketing, please link to my marketing article 44 ways to ruin your reputation with cold outreach link requests, right? We’ve all if you have a blog, you’ve gotten at least one request like this.

    And the more popular your blog is, the more you get of these, I would imagine someone like Michael his site gets millions of visitors a year and of course, he’s probably getting thousands of these a day.

    They work sort of, they have most definitely not a best practice.

    They work in the same way that spam works.

    A small percentage of people do respond positively, typically lower quality sites.

    And the companies that do these by and large, just shotgun blast these things everywhere, they’ll send out a million emails.

    Or they’ll use bots to spam comments on blogs.

    As a whole, the technique is efficient, it is not particularly effective.

    The links that you do earn from it are mediocre at best, random WordPress bloggers and stuff.

    I’m wordpress.

    com or medium or essentially people who don’t know better than to take these link requests and put them exactly where they belong, which is in the bin.

    And it does the technique and this is one of the reasons why you really shouldn’t use it is the technique and cause you cost your organization some reputation the same way as spamming with a lot of the companies that do this sort of thing, outsource it.

    They outsource it to the lowest cost possibilities and whether it’s full automation or inexpensive labor offshore.

    And it’s almost never done well, there is a way to do link building Well, number one, make content people want to link to that certainly helps that if you have original research or unique data of some kind, you can absolutely earn links the easy way easy by creating stuff that is unbelievable.

    That would be the best practice choice by far.

    And you can do individual outreach to people.

    But you have to do two things.

    First, number one, you have to do your homework.

    If you’re going to ask someone to link to your blog, Post show that you read their blog post in its entirety and you understand the context of your question, the context of your questions is appropriate.

    If you are reaching out to a marketing blog and saying, Hey, would you link to my, you know, body wash website.

    Now, there’s no fit there.

    There’s no relationship.

    There’s no context, it’s just clearly a random commercial pitch.

    And that’s going to get disposed of, and to build the relationship first.

    This is something that drives me nuts about a lot of public relations folks as well.

    We’re also sending out random cold pitches.

    There’s no relationship.

    And if you don’t invest the time and the time is measured in months or years.

    If you don’t invest the time in the relationship, then you’re not going to get a good outcome.

    When someone who’s a legitimate friend asks me, Hey, can you share my thing? Generally speaking, I’m probably going to say yes, as long as the things worth sharing I had somebody who reached out to me, he reached out a couple days ago, but I’ve known him for a decade.

    And he’s like, Hey, would you be willing to contribute to this thing on someone and I read it and I gave him some some feedback and said, Yeah, when it’s time, let me know and I’ll, I’ll share it for you.

    He has invested the time in, in building that relationship so that the ask is not cold.

    This is what separates a good link builder from bad one, a good PR person from a bad would want a good influencer marketing person from bad one.

    They invest the time to build those relationships.

    And they do it over a long period of time so that there’s an actual human connection.

    And then it’s like banking, I hesitate to use the analogy because it is kind of tacky to think of these kinds of professional relationships as a keeping score, but it’s good analogy in that if you Don’t deposit money in the bank, there is nothing to withdraw from it.

    Right? You cannot withdraw from an empty bank account.

    In the same way or relationship if you don’t invest in the relationship you cannot withdraw from it, you cannot ask anything of it because you didn’t give anything to it.

    And this concept I think, from Vienna, I originally called givers gain, you give first without expectation, just to build the relationship.

    And then at some point, you know, you will have to ask for something at some point.

    But at some point down the road, you earn the right to make that ask, and that’s true with outreach as well.

    So this begs the question, well, how can you invest in you know thousands of relationships you can’t.

    What you need to do is do some strong analytics to identify in the network of people who are in your space in your vertical industry, do an actual influencer map and influencer graph using data to identify the two or three or four super nodes within your network that The hubs of every conversation with the majority of conversations, a great way to do this would be to take, for example, social media content from like, a five or 10 conferences in your industry.

    Or look at the academic papers published in your industry, and create a network map that says, These are the people who everybody talks about everybody references and those five people.

    That’s where you start your relationship building, right? So that you’re focusing on the hub because once the hub gets a piece of information, it can then spread it to its network of first and secondary connections.

    And you will get exponential returns on your effort from that if you approach it smartly that way.

    That’s how you do it.

    Right.

    When somebody like in our industry, like Jay Baer, when he publishes a blog post with our content, and it we see it show up everywhere, we see links show up everywhere.

    He is a super node within the network.

    And so that’s somebody that You know, we would we would, we would want to maintain a relationship for professional reasons is nice personal reasons to he’s an amazing human being.

    But that’s how you do it.

    So cold outreach links link is not the best practice do warm outreach link requests and the very best of all is do a collaboration with somebody that you have that relationship with.

    And again, you will create amazing stuff.

    I did a some work with Agoura pulse recently we did a the social success summit.

    It was one of the biggest prospects and lead generators of the year I did a piece with Talkwalker without Alban format or a Talkwalker.

    And it again did some tremendous stuff, they have some things coming soon, all relationship based, so that’s the way to do it.

    build a relationship build together and you will build the links and the links will be high quality from reputable places that will boost your SEO.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Multiple Content Format Strategy?

    You Ask, I Answer: Multiple Content Format Strategy?

    Heidi asks, “Why did you start to offer video, audio and text on your blog? Do you track each content format differently?”

    I changed in late 2017 to a video-first format after seeing the way the audience is changing in their consumption of content. By starting with the Trust Insights Transmedia Content Framework, I can create every major format of content at the same time. Watch the video for full details.

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    In today’s episode, Heidi asks, Why did you start to offer video, audio and text on your blog, you do track each content format differently.

    I changed in late 2017 to a video first format after seeing frankly after seeing the way the the audience the consumer was changing in their content consumption.

    People watch a ton of video year after year.

    When I was doing my keynote talks, I would see the numbers on YouTube hours watching Netflix hours watched continue to spiral every single year.

    It’s like Well, you know what? good marketing goes where the audience is, rather than tries to make the audience do what you want them to do.

    So it was time to switch to a video first format.

    Now, the other thing that makes video so important is that This is framework that I created adapted from an idea that I old SEO Todd different had back in 2008.

    He called content optimization to be able to take a piece of content and break it up into a bunch of little pieces.

    let’s actually go ahead and bring up this piece here.

    This is this is the transmedia content framework.

    And what this simply means is, you can take a piece of content and split it into many different formats, as long as the data is there.

    And that’s why video is so important because video contains audio by definition, as long as you got a microphone.

    video contains images like you’re literally looking at each other.

    And when you use machine learning tools like speech to text transcription video, at least this kind of video contains text, right? So if I start with this video, I can take clips of it and turn them into animations, animated gifts and things like that.

    I can take smaller snippets and turn them into Instagram stories or IGT but like Five people who watch that, I can take the audio and turn this audio into a podcast episode.

    In fact, I do if you if you would just subscribe to this blog feed in your podcasting software of pod listening software choice, you would be able to see the audio mp3 is in every single blog post.

    And I take the transcript using otter AI and turn that into the blog post that accompanies this.

    So in the vid, the full video goes up on YouTube and goes up on LinkedIn.

    So that’s the reason for doing this.

    It’s for the format that people prefer best.

    Some people want their content, they want to watch it.

    They want to you know, binge watch season 25 of us, sir, whatever you want to call this.

    Some people want to listen to it, they have a commute, they they’re working in the kitchen, they are at the gym, and that content works best for them there and some people like I don’t like watching video I just want to read the text.

    So put that as well, by providing each content format you’re serving the audience’s needs in the way that works best for them.

    One of the challenges marketers have is that we tend to be very selfish in the sense of I want to do things that are best for me in my company, as opposed to being audience centered.

    And saying, I’m going to do is the best I can with the resources I have, I’m going to try and meet you where you are, and provide content in the format that that you expect or that you want, or that is most convenient for you, the audience.

    And so that’s why I do this.

    Now, if you’re not comfortable with the talking head video style things, right.

    There’s a way to reverse this around.

    So you could This is the video first transmitted content framework and is the most efficient because again, video contains all these other formats within it.

    You can however, you go in reverse, especially if you like really care about production quality of your videos and things like that.

    You would start with your written content, look for the content that has performed the best, elevate that to audio status, right? You would essentially read it out loud and either you could do it yourself.

    You can hire somebody to do it.

    You can have a machine do it Amazon’s next generation neural network Polly voices are fantastic for reading content aloud.

    And then from there, you can elevate that one step further and look at what are the audio episodes that have done the best.

    Okay, those are the ones that great performance on text, great performance and audio, we’ve got to cut a a nice looking video for that.

    If your company is an image based company like a video production company, or you are a video star or something like that, and you and you want that high level production that looks great looks expensive video.

    This is the approach I would take because you can’t obviously afford to, or take the time to produce cinematics every single day.

    But if you have top your top 12 pieces of content, you can take those pieces of content, elevate them into video, and then turn that into those, you know, just the best pieces into video.

    So you can take this content framework and reverse it.

    To start with the text only.

    The downside is you will produce much less of those other formats.

    And finally, to Heidi’s question, which track each content format differently, yes, so with the video by uploading it to YouTube, I get YouTube’s analytics on the videos whether or not you watch it on on the blog, whether you watch it on YouTube itself, I get the data there.

    The audio I load to lives in the podcasting service and get downloads and subscribe blog subscriptions there.

    I get blog subscriptions general and of course, Google Analytics is the single source of truth for my upper funnel add in the text.

    That said, Google Analytic is the prime source because it also tracks conversions and because I put all the content on one page right the video is here, the audio is below it the text is below it I’m not terribly worried about the the video being all over the place I do still monthly look at all my content, take a look and see either things are performing and an outsized way in one format that are not in other formats that is important to do.

    So great question.

    There’s a lot to this might be worth doing a webinar or something on this at some point just to show the process because it’s about a 40 minute process a day.

    But you’re creating video audio and and blog content every single day.

    That is a very fast paced, high frequency, but still decent quality good.

    We’re trying to focus on you and your questions.

    So great question Heidi.

    follow up questions leave in the comments below.

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  • 5 Takeaways from Comcast CX Technology Day

    5 Takeaways from Comcast CX Technology Day

    I had the opportunity to attend Comcast’s CX Technology Day at the invitation of Jay Baer and the team at Convince and Convert. CX Day is Comcast’s highlighting of what they’re working and some of the challenges they’ve overcome to improve their overall customer experience.

    1. In their digital transformation, which has been and will continue to be a massive, multi-year process, their biggest gap has been on the process side. The technology hasn’t been nearly as much of an issue as getting 60,000 people to follow standard processes.
    2. Charlie Herrin, Chief CX Officer, had an interesting insight on chatbots.
    3. Lisa Blackshear, SVP Comms and Digital Media, said that social has become their early warning system, letting them know of issues well before they hit the call center – and that social scales much better than phones.
    4. Speaking of phones, Tom Karinshak, EVP Customer Service, said that in measuring customer satisfaction using NPS scores, the biggest increase was offering customers a choice other than calling support. Turns out very few people want to talk on the phone – especially if other options work better.
    5. The most interesting session of the day was on how callbacks to customers are mandatory for all employees – even developers and project managers – to see how their work is received.

    They’ve still got a long way to go; one of the interesting things Jay had to say is that brand reputation is a decade cycle, meaning that it takes a decade of mostly positive experiences to teach a new generation of customers that the reputation of the company from the past isn’t its present. My thanks to Jay and the C&C team for inviting me to participate.

    FTC Disclosure: Comcast paid for me to attend CX Technology Day. No other compensation was included, and neither Comcast nor Convince & Convert required me to create content about CX Technology Day or provided messaging for the content above and beyond what was presented.

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    In today’s episode, I had the opportunity to attend the Comcast, CX technology day at the invitation of Jay Baer and the team at Convince & Convert.

    CX state is Comcast sort of event highlighting what they’re working on.

    And some of the challenges that they’re working to overcome to improve their overall customer experience, which, as you know, from two seconds of googling is not great.

    And there were five key takeaways I thought were interesting from the day that are more broadly applicable to everyone in all of our businesses, number one, in their digital transformation and trying to adapt to where customers are and where customers want to communicate with them.

    The digital transformation has been mostly focused on process.

    So there’s three parts to digital transformation people process technology, right HJ limits 1964 framework, which we’ve been listening to consultants talk about for six decades.

    And for Comcast, in particular, the biggest gap has been on the process side of a company put together by more than 30 acquisitions and things has enormous challenges making process standardized.

    Technology has not been the issue, getting 60,000 people to follow the same playbook, significantly, a tougher challenge.

    So I thought that was interesting.

    In our own work in digital transformation, in your work at your company, recognizing that process is probably the thing that will be most difficult for a an otherwise, good company.

    Pay for a company that’s not filled with malevolent actors or completely broken Technology processes the toughest part.

    The chief customer experience officer, Charlie Herrin had an interesting insight on Chatbots.

    So number two, he said that Chatbots are a bridge technology between old fashioned call centers, and what will eventually be fully automated, at least first level of support for customers using using voice, but driven by AI.

    And those are really useful insight because a lot of folks are sort of putting a big stake in the ground on Chatbots and how they’re the next thing.

    But yet when you look around at our all of our lovely, you know, smartest systems and things that that are on our desks, in our kitchens, on our phones and mobile devices, and you look at where Google’s going with things like Burt and its natural language queries.

    We really are focused on voice and voice interfaces even to things that have screens.

    And so Charlie’s point that Chatbots Our bridge technology is sort of a stopgap measure.

    I thought it was useful, a useful insight to say like yet don’t invest in them, get good at them, use them to train your team on better natural language processing, but don’t bet the farm on them.

    Because in the next couple of years, they will evolve especially as we get more and more and better and better natural language processing technology.

    Number three, Lisa Blackshear, who was the SVP of comms and digital media said that social media for them has really become an early warning system, letting them know have issues before they hit the call center and first your support.

    And obviously, because of that social media scales much better than phones.

    Comcast says something like 50 million customers, and the social media support team is only about 400 people.

    That’s a lot of people to manage.

    Certainly it’s more than the 13 they had a few years ago but It when you consider just how well that system scales.

    again for your own company, there are plenty of tools that can help you listen and scale and deliver better service through where customers are.

    And if you can build those early warning systems, you can potentially head off much larger issues.

    Speaking of phones, the VP of customer service Tom encouraged economic pronouncing his name correctly, said that in measuring customer satisfaction they they measure on NPS scores.

    The biggest increase that they saw double digit increases was offering customers a choice other than calling support.

    Turns out that not as many people want to talk to phone support, especially if they’re going to be on hold for a while.

    Are their options do work better.

    So when we think about our own companies, and how do we take those all these technologies Chatbots SMS, Facebook Messenger Whatever the the tool is slack is that where our customers want to be? And are we prepared to meet them there? The tough question.And five, the most interesting session of the day I thought was on Callbacks.

    So one of the things that they do that’s mandatory for all employees, top to bottom is they require them to call back customers, even folks who are not in a, any kind of customer service roles, developers and project managers.

    And what was interesting about that was they do that to see to show employees how their work is being received by the marketplace.

    If you’re a developer and you’re working on the x one interface, and you’re making change to the changes to the UI.

    It’s not a bad thing for that person to see.

    Oh, this is what people actually think of the thing and getting that feedback directly from the customer.

    That is something that way too many companies do not do in any capacity.

    And it would be who Companies, particularly a product based company, to have your product developers, your project product and project managers, the people who make the thing, but don’t necessarily have to support the thing to to be in that role in that customer service role.

    And then that having a conversation with the customer about how the product is working for them, because you get the unvarnished feedback from the customers saying, Yeah, I hate this thing, this thing doesn’t do this, let’s do this.

    And when you have the ability to have 60,000 people reach out and say, Hey, how’s it working? How’s it going? You’re going to get a lot of useful data.

    Now, one thing I thought was interesting was that the company doesn’t use like 90% of its data above and beyond diagnostics did to know something’s wrong.

    But there are tremendous opportunities for a company like that and your company to to use even relatively mundane data for things like machine learning and and predictive analytics.

    Real simple example.

    From from the day, we were talking about the use of their systems and hotel rooms.

    If you had a building with 500 of these set top boxes and these these fancy remotes, you can tell usage levels within that building.

    If you can tell usage levels, then you can predict future usage levels, which means that for someone who operated a hotel, for example, they could actually use that data to forecast the likelihood of of guests.

    Combine that with things like electricity usage, plumbing usage, etc.

    And you could build very sophisticated models that could probably reasonably accurately forecast when your volume is going to change that would change your staffing, change your marketing, change your budgets.

    And so I think there’s a tremendous opportunity for any company that has operational data to turn that data into something more useful than just diagnostics.

    Now Comcast itself has got a long way to go.

    One of the interesting things that Jay had to say at the start of one of the panels is that brand reputation is a decade long cycle, meaning it takes a full decade of mostly positive experiences to teach a new generation of customers that the way things were that company, the company’s past, reputation is not the present.

    And 20 seconds in Facebook search or Google search or Twitter search will reveal that there’s still a long way to go for, for the team of Comcast, but what we saw they’re making the improvements that they need and putting the infrastructure in place to meet customers where they are some reason to be optimistic.

    They’re my thanks to Jay and the team at Convince & Convert, for inviting me to participate and look forward to other interesting insights into companies, particularly very large ones, and how they operate when they have many, many, many people and many different types of stakeholders to keep up As always leave your questions in the questions in the comments box below.

    Please don’t ask any questions, get support, I can help you.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: AI-Enabled Parenting Tools?

    You Ask, I Answer: AI-Enabled Parenting Tools?

    Donna asks, “Super curious to hear your thoughts on tools like AI-enabled baby monitors and other AI-enabled parenting tools. What do you think?”

    The challenge of tools like AI-powered anything are twofold: what happens to the production data? And how was the model trained that the tool is built on? Most products and services don’t reveal the training dataset, and without that information, you have no idea how biased the model is – which makes relying on such a tool inherently dangerous. Watch the video for a full explanation.

    Disclaimer: I am not a qualified medical professional and this post is not medical advice. Seek a qualified healthcare professional for concerns about the health and welfare of your children.

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    In today’s episode Donna asks what I think of this AI powered baby monitor? My thoughts on it? Well, there are two things on the topic of any kind of AI based child care solution or any AI based solution period, which is the production data and the training data.

    So production data is pretty straightforward in terms of what things I would be concerned about.

    Number one, of course, is privacy.

    What happens to your data? Particularly if it’s if you’re your child, when it is uploaded to a service? Is it stored securely? Is it How is it processed? How does the processing occur, what information is being gathered? How is it encrypted etc.

    And those are all things that Any reputable solution providers should be able to give you answers to about how they treat their data.

    That’s that’s easy stuff.

    The more difficult thing and particularly in this use cases, this is a product that is claiming to do image recognition from live video feed and identify when your baby has turned over to to what is considered to be an unsafe sleeping position.

    Here’s my challenge with this type of analysis.

    I feel like it can low parents into a false sense of security and is not a substitute for actual parenting.

    So that’s one side second side is the training do any AI solution has to have a training data set that is that info is important by Footage samples that tell it like this is what to recognize this solution is a supervised learning solution, right? You’re looking for a specific use case, a human being in a certain position, and you want to recognize it and then use that to trigger the basis of some kind of alert.

    So how does it do that? What was the basis for comparison? What is the model trained on? And was the model trained on a robust enough data set? So the classic textbook error in this kind of case is the the folks who wrote a simulation to wrote a model to identify wolves to differentiate wolves and dogs.

    did all this testing all this training data and they loaded in and then in the lab, it worked perfectly, but when they rolled it out, it failed miserably.

    Why when the scientists decompose the model, it turns out it wasn’t recognizing the wolf that all was recognized whether there was snow or not in the in the pictures, all The pictures the walls had snow on the ground.

    So it was a case where the model was not well supervised.

    When it comes to something like this, think about all the different environments that you can have in a crib.

    Yes, in theory, a crib should be a plane background, with no toys of distractions not but this is human humanity we’re talking about everybody’s environment is set up differently.

    lighting setup differently, and most critically when it comes to human beings.

    There is a tremendous amount of bias in AI data sets of images and videos of human beings.

    Most training data sets tend to skew heavily towards Caucasians people with lighter skin and of European descent, which means that if you if a company does not disclose their training data, then there’s a good chance that they did not train on people of African descent, people Asian descent, children with differentially abled, and so, to make the broad claim that the oldest product is going to help, you know, save your kid’s life without having detailed information about how the model was trained, I personally would not feel comfortable relying on such a thing now that said, Unless you own a like a 10,000 square foot house where, you know your kids literally all all the way on the other side of the, the the facility, and you can’t hear from one room to the next.

    As as a parent of two kids.

    We have a real small house Our house is like 1200 square feet.

    It can hear, you can hear everything whether you want to or not.

    And so I would question the need for this product in general.

    If you’re there, and you’re you can hear your kid crying and moving around, okay.

    infants are not quiet.

    And if you’re not there will if you know if the product is to try and stop Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, if it’s anything like a heart attack, you have a couple of minutes to react before you need to go and do something before the damage becomes irreversible.

    And so I don’t know how much youtility this product is I I my opinion, my feeling my emotion about it is that I think it’s taking advantage of parents in some ways, in the sense of, well, you know, you’re you’re deathly afraid that your kids going to roll over and die.

    And certainly, as a parent, nobody wants to lose, John.

    No matter what the statistics are, if it’s you.

    It’s awful.

    But I feel like it’s Probably product is a solution in search of a real problem.

    And it takes advantage of those fears that parents have, particularly these days where people have become so incredibly risk averse, that they will buy stuff that may or may not be helped them out.

    I don’t think this product will do any harm, right, you install it.

    As long as you don’t abdicate your parenting responsibilities, it’s not going to do any harm.

    But I don’t know that it will provide any help and I don’t know the cost is worth it compared to a traditional baby monitor if you want to use just a traditional old fashioned one.

    That is just sound when you wirelessly transmitted on a standard radio frequency, no cloud, no internet involved just good old fashioned radio transmit that you can get at Target or Walmart or wherever for 3040 bucks.

    I feel like that’s probably just as good a solution in this case.

    If that is a serious concern, and if you believe that, and if you’re able to be a present parent and and unless you yourself have a medical condition which you just can’t hear things you see, the AI monitor is quite not going to help either way.

    So the key things, though, are what happens to the production data? What happens to the test data? The training data, how well was it trained? How diversity was it trained? And does it solve the problem that you’re asking you to solve? I would, I guess I don’t think the money’s worth in this case.

    But if you got extra money and you have no idea what to do with it, I guess it doesn’t hurt.

    As always, please leave your comments below in the comments box subscribe to the YouTube channel the newsletter, I’ll talk to you soon.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: The Fading Utility of Facebook?

    You Ask, I Answer: The Fading Utility of Facebook?

    Darlene asks, “How have you adapted to the fading utility of Facebook? I’m sure we’ve all shifted energy and dollars into other social networks, but what’s been really worthwhile for you, regardless of your industry?”

    At the end of the day, I focus on what I own and control to the best of my ability. That means a website with video, audio, and text, an email newsletter, and a Slack community, with three goals: capture audience, build trust, and direct attention to things that are mutually beneficial.

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    In today’s episode Darlene asks, How have you adapted to the fading utility of Facebook, I’m sure we’ve all shifted energy and dollars into other social networks.

    But what’s been really worthwhile for you, regardless of your industry, things like video and podcasting, etc.

    At the end of the day, I focus on what I own, and control to the best of my ability.

    I don’t own Facebook, I don’t own Twitter, I don’t own I don’t even know my own YouTube profile, right? I own the ability to access those properties.

    But they’re not mine.

    I don’t have control over them.

    I can’t change how the overall strategy of those platforms work, right.

    They’re just not mine.

    So what is my website? Right, that’s mine.

    Yes, there’s a hosting company.

    But am I email newsletter.

    So on the website, there is video, which right now I do host with YouTube because if nothing else, it is useful as a utility to host these enormous video files.

    And any traffic I get from YouTube is a nice add on.

    But it’s not were not my place where I build and focus all my promotional efforts, audio.

    I do have a podcast several of them actually, which I host through Lipson.

    But the website is still where that’s based and of course, the text the the notes plus the transcripts, go on the website.

    And so that’s that’s really where my attention goes through my attention has gone for a really long time because, again, we don’t have control over these platforms.

    The expression is never build on rent land.

    Great for those of us Have a lot of gray hair, remembering back to the early 2000s.

    And people spending crazy crazy crazy money customizing their MySpace profiles company spending no joke and hundreds of thousands of dollars on design and building it out and all this stuff to make it appealing to the crowd that was on Myspace at the time.

    That money was not money.

    I mean, it served its point in the day did what was posted in the day, but you do not have an enduring platform that was yours from that time period.

    Right? It is largely faded from existence and is the butt of people’s jokes.

    Same for you know, Google Plus, they were people who made huge professional bets on Google Plus, and they probably got some utility out of it out of the time.

    That’s fine, right you, you don’t buy a meal to save Forever, right you buy a meal to use it to eat it, and then you move on with your day.

    But if you are trying to invest in the long term, building on rented land is never a good idea.

    So website with your stuff, if you’re going to spend ad dollars, point those ad dollars at your stuff unless you have something you know, a one off that does really well, because social posts does really well.

    Obviously pay to lean into those things that do well.

    And fundamentally, you need to have three different goals.

    And you can call them top, middle and bottom of funnel or whatever but the goals are you have to capture audience you have to capture attention, right? That’s Goal number one.

    And the easiest way to measure that is by the people that you can get to the website even once.

    You have to build trust.

    That’s Goal number two and that is easily measured by enrollment in other digital activities that are yours.

    So signing up for that newsletter, people need to have a minimum level of trust in you and minimum level of belief that you’re providing something of value in order to be willing to hit that.

    Yes, I want more Email button, right? Because that’s what that button means I yes, I want more email.

    And three, direct attention.

    You have to take the attention that you have and directed at things that are mutually beneficial that may be buying something, doing business with somebody.

    There’s all sorts of different things that directing attention can mean but those are the three goals that you want to measure from those owned media properties.

    Everything else is ancillary.

    Right? The number of followers you have the number of engagements you get all that stuff.

    It’s not unimportant, but it’s not the end game state.

    Right? That’s not where you’re trying to go.

    So I don’t worry too much about the feeding utility of Facebook.

    It’s an ad platform.

    And and I will I measure it like every other ad platform, how good is it at capturing attention or re engaging people build trust or directing attention to what I want people do.

    It’s just not where I’m spending most of my time and money.

    And I’m not moving to another social network because still not mine with the exception of slack.

    I run a slack community if you go to Trust insights.ai slash analytics for marketers.

    That slack instance is one that we run and as as close to owning it as you can get without actually deploying your own server right? That is an owned community as well, in the sense that we can see it you have control over it have total control of what gets published in it.

    And so there’s, there’s that as well.

    So, website, email community, be the three things I think that every marketer should be focusing on now, rather than Facebook or Twitter or Tick Tock or whatever.

    Those are billboards.

    You don’t stop to eat.

    At the at a billboard when you drive, right? You stopped to eat at the restaurant.

    The same is true of social media, right? Don’t build the restaurant on the Billboard, build the restaurant, at the restaurant and use the billboard to get people to the restaurant.

    So good question.

    It’s important question.

    It’s a question that I know a lot of marketers are struggling with as we get to the end of the year and people are setting strategy and trying to figure out what to do.

    build on own land, use rented land to direct people to the owned land.

    That’s the best strategy that will serve you well now and will serve you well in the long term.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Automation Solutions for SMBs?

    You Ask, I Answer: Marketing Automation Solutions for SMBs?

    Dan asks, “What are your suggestions for an inexpensive marketing automation platform that integrates with SalesForce and either scales well or can easily be migrated to a more powerful platform down the road.”

    This depends on what you mean by inexpensive. How large a marketing budget are we talking? At Trust Insights, we use self-hosted Mautic because in the early days of the company, we literally funded everything out of our own pockets. We chose Mautic because we had the technical knowledge to operate a server. Choose based on your budget and skill level – watch the video for some guidelines.

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    In today’s episode, Dan asks, What are your suggestions for an inexpensive marketing automation platform that integrates with Salesforce? And either scales well or can easily be migrated to a more powerful platform down the road? This is a good question.

    There are no surprise hundreds if not thousands, of marketing automation platforms, if you refer to Scott breakers, infamous martech loom escape or the martech landscape.

    There’s 8000 solutions on there, and at least a couple of marketing automation.

    So there’s no shortage of choices out there.

    The question is, what do you have for resources and resources with marketing automation comes in two forms one, technical knowledge to money.

    Most people are pretty familiar with money right? So My guideline on that is it should be, you should spend on marketing automation, approximately 25% of your data and analytics budget, remembering that from the most recent cmo survey, most marketing departments have spending somewhere between seven and 11% of their overall marketing budget on data and analytics.

    They should be spending a lot more but can’t fix that.

    Right.

    So let’s be generous and call it say data and analytics should be 15% of your marketing budget.

    Right? That’s that is optimistic.

    Of that 25% of that number should be your marketing automation budget.

    So that you have money left over to help you with other things you don’t have specifically knowledge.

    When Katie am I started Trust Insights two years ago now almost Wow, that went fast.

    We Show is a platform called Monique Monique is an open source marketing automation platform.

    They have a cloud hosted version that looks and works very similarly to, you know what, what all the other major cloud marketing automation providers have.

    But the pricing on that is comparable.

    We chose the self hosted version because the early days of the company, we were literally funding everything out of our own pockets.

    But we were literally paying for stuff out of our personal funds to get the company going, that’s startup life.

    So we chose Baltic because it was the least expensive solution for which we still have the technical knowledge.

    In order to deploy a self hosted model means you have to start a server somewhere virtual server someplace on a VPN or whatever.

    You have to install the software, yourself.

    You have to configure the server yourself and you have to firewall and do all the things that you’re supposed to do in order to make sure that the server is working correctly.

    That is a pretty heavy lift for a lot of companies.

    But the trade off is that our total costs for marketing automation are somewhere around $8 a month, right? In the beginning days of the company that is manageable, that is affordable when you have no cost at all.

    That is that is great news.

    Now, that system does integrate with Salesforce, no better or worse, I would say than any other platforms.

    But it is super easy to migrate because you have the server, right.

    So as long as you have some idea of what you’re doing when it comes with to databases, you can literally work directly in the database.

    You don’t need to go through the software, the interface and all that stuff.

    You are as close to bare metal as possible.

    And that is a wonderful thing when you’re talking about migration.

    Because when you look at every other platform out there like HubSpot Hard on Mark Hedo, Eloqua, you name it, they don’t let you get direct access to the server ever get a it’s a security risk and be there is some incentive to make it more difficult to migrate to move on.

    When you run your own systems and servers, you have the total control over the environment for good or ill now that the ill side means you have to maintain that environment yourself and you’d better have some technical knowledge or your server will end up getting hacked sooner rather than later.

    And that’s not a good thing.

    So, my recommendation if you are literally like rummaging through the couch cushions, looking for spare change to run your business, your marketing department, things like that.

    My recommendation would be Monique, it is the best overall choice for super affordable startup environments to to run marketing automation.

    Now, depending on scales and issue with Monique in the sense that when you provision a virtual server, you get certain limits like disk space and things like that.

    And you would better be working with a hosting company that allows you to scale up your instance, I’ve had to do this on my own personal Monique server.

    I have my my email list is now like close to a little more than actually has more than 40,000 subscribers.

    Guess what, that generates a tremendous amount of data, which means that it takes more disk space to store more record, the database has to be optimized more often.

    And the bills will start to increase as scale goes up.

    That’s okay.

    You would, but you need to be working with a hosting company that allows you to scale up your server otherwise, you’re going to be in a really bad situation.

    In terms of if you don’t have the technical skill.

    And you do have the money.

    My second choice, really, I mean, it would have to be HubSpot.

    HubSpot Software is expensive for a small business 800 bucks a month for the pro version.

    But it is seamless.

    It is well engineered, it works.

    It offers all the usual compliance stuff everything you want it you need and want for compliance.

    So if you’ve got the cash, go with HubSpot.

    There are other providers you know Flavio and Active Campaign drip and all these other providers.

    I have not used them.

    I can’t speak to them, whether they’re they’re good or bad.

    Most of the review sites put those companies in reasonably good standing with each other.

    It’s actually funny.

    Monique is in pretty poor standing because again, it’s extremely technical, to make it work well.

    We were making the trade off we have the knowledge we don’t have, we didn’t have the cash at the time.

    If you don’t have the knowledge or the cash, you’d better figure out which one to go after.

    First, I would strongly suggest you get the knowledge because the knowledge lets you build the infrastructure.

    You Need to Ben generate the cash.

    If you are a an entrepreneur and you don’t have the knowledge, either learn it before you launch your company or partner with somebody who does have the knowledge who can fill that gap because it’s extremely important that you have that.

    So I would say those would be my two recommendations for today.

    That may change.

    And if you’re a marketing automation vendor, and you want me to review your software, we’re happy to chat about that will at least test it out and see, see what’s under the hood? As long as you’re okay with feedback that you might not like? So, for the comments in the comments box below.

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  • You Ask, I Answer: Teaching Advanced Topics in Social Media Strategy?

    You Ask, I Answer: Teaching Advanced Topics in Social Media Strategy?

    Dhariana asks, “I have to teach a 3 hour class on advanced social media strategies, but I’m having some trouble. What would you guys consider as ‘Advanced’?”

    There is no such thing as advanced. One person’s advanced is another person’s basics. Audit/ask for specific skills. I think using machine learning to do long-term time series forecasting of when topics will be popular for social posts is intermediate, whereas using LSTMs and feedforward neural networks is advanced. The average social media marketer would think both topics impossibly advanced. Watch the video for the answer to this question.

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    In today’s episode, Ariana asks, I have to teach a three hour class on advanced social media strategy, but I’m having some trouble, what would you guys consider as advanced? Oh, I feel your pain I have, I have run into this problem so many times over the years as a as a keynote speaker, as a workshop leader, there is no such thing as advanced or intermediate, or beginner.

    Because one person’s advances another person’s basics, right? I may think, for example, setting up Google Analytics to track your social media traffic, that to me is basic, to another social media marketer, that’s advanced right there.

    They’re thinking about like, what should I put in my photos on Instagram.

    And, and so what I think is, for example, I think intermediate is using, using advanced statistics and machine learning based machine learning to do time series forecasting, predicting when certain topics are going to be of interest to your audience.

    So you can create a social media calendar around those topics.

    If you know that in 14 weeks, that left handed smoke shifters are going to be the most searched for thing in your industry, then you want to make sure that in the two to three weeks leading up to that, that you have content ready to share, that you have ads ready to run and so on and so forth that are reflective of what the audience is interested in.

    To me that’s intermediate.

    Whereas using something like a LSTM, or feed forward neural network, those to do the same kind prediction that to me is advanced, because it’s stuff that I’m working on stuff that I have trouble with, and stuff that I would like to learn.

    Ask the average social media marketer.

    And what I just said even and the average social media market be like that, that may as well be Greek, right, baby, what is a feed forward neural network? What does it LSTM? What is what is predictive analytics, even? These are topics that they wouldn’t necessarily view as part of social media.

    But these are techniques and tactics and strategies that can be used to make social media more effective.

    So the cure for this is to be very specific about the the skills that you’re presenting the techniques that you’re presenting the technologies that you’re presenting, and to be even more specific about asking people where they are in their journey.

    So if you take for example, strategy, social media strategy, you want to get a sense of your audience, what size businesses have they worked in? How long have they been working in business.

    So you know, someone who has someone who’s 20 has very different points of view, about social media and someone who’s 40, someone who’s 20 has different perspectives on what a company’s overall goals should be than someone who’s 40 or 60, or 80.

    And so you need to have a detailed audit as best as you can, of where your your class students are, and where it is that they want to go.

    What are the things that are on their minds, asking them for the broad topics first, and then digging down? So real simple example.

    Someone could say analytics they want? They want to learn analytics as part of the social media strategy? Well, that’s a big bucket analytics of what do you want social platform analytics? And and how to work with that data? Like how do you make the make sense of Instagram’s? various types of reporting? Do you want mid funnel data? Like how do you connect a social network to web analytics software or to a marketing automation platform? Do you want full funnel analytics? Do you want to be able to see the ROI of social media all the way down to the CRM? Those are different types topics, those are different classes, I would even argue those are parts of a different profession in a lot of ways.

    Because if you’re going to be very rigorous about your use of analytics, you’re less doing social media and more doing data science at that point, if you if you want the best possible answers.

    So what I would consider advanced is probably not even on some people’s radar, what I would consider basic as some people’s advanced where other people consider advanced in their as their part of social media would be would they consider basic I would consider advanced, you know, there are some people who are so good at things like digital ethnography being able to decompose and audiences psycho graphics.

    And that’s not an area of specialty for me, that to me, that would be a novice topic would be what even is digital ethnography? And and how does it apply to social media? whereas an ethnography would be like, Oh, my God, I have to teach that again, like, okay, just follow the framework is who, what, where, when, why and how.

    So it’s, it’s difficult.

    Assessing by the actual skills and how people use those skills, is the only true way you’re going to get a benchmark of what people want to learn what people are ready to learn, and how far you can push them out of their comfort zone.

    If you send someone a survey and say, tell me about solving business problems very strategically, and they say, well, you don’t offer coupons, right to solve a very thorny problem that gives you a sense of where that person is in their journey.

    And you know, they’re not ready to deal with, say, like a multi year multi prong strategy.

    I remember I was at in a CEO Roundtable, and there was this one gentleman who was a retired CEO is in the late 70s.

    And we were all going around.

    And so asking about difficult, interesting solutions to problems.

    And this one problem his company ran into, they had to close a factory to refit it for environmental reasons.

    And they were, you know, looking at at 12 to 18 months shut down.

    And so his solution to that problem was to offer existing customers a massive incentive by two years of inventory now, and you won’t be impacted by the the shutdown, and will give you a real sweetheart deal on the on the purchase price.

    Customers lined up, they bought, they they bought and bought and bought, so much so that they didn’t even have to take a loan out to refit, the factory for the proceeds from that alone was enough to pay for the renovation.

    And so they were able to conquer two business problems all at once.

    That’s sort of the advanced business strategy, which again, that requires life experience and a lot of ways.

    So that’s advanced to some people.

    So benchmark where people are asked them to tell their stories, ask them to bring their problems, and you have a much better benchmark of what it is you need to teach in your class.

    Good luck.

    It is difficult.

    It should be difficult because if it’s not, then you’re not delivering exactly what the audience needs.

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